Aug. 26, 2025

Madame Mustache: The Wild West’s Most Badass Gambler

Madame Mustache: The Wild West’s Most Badass Gambler
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We’re taking a short break and using this time to amplify the voices of other creators we love in the true crime space. This week we’re bringing you a fabulous story from the Rainy Day Rabbit Holes podcast hosted by our friends Shea & Jody.

High-stakes games, a mustachioed legend, and one hell of a revenge story—this episode has it all! Eleanor Dumont, better known as Madame Mustache, was a sharp-witted gambler, a successful businesswoman, and a woman way ahead of her time. From outplaying men at their own game to tracking down her con artist husband and personally delivering justice, her story is as wild as the Wild West itself.

😮 Why did the world remember her mustache more than her empire?
🎲 How did she run the classiest gambling hall in the lawless West?
☠️ And what was her final, dramatic exit?
🔥 Get ready for gambling, crime, whiskey, and Wild West nonsense!

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Welcome to Randy Dave rabbit Holes, where we take the

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history of the West off the rails. If you like

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your history unhinged, you are in the right place. I'm

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Shae and I'm Jody. Let's fall down the rabbit hole,

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all right, Shae, I am so excited that we opened

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up our Sorry, I can't I'm so glad. We can't

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stop laughing at you right now. We opened up our

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research to the whole West. Because today I've got a

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story for you. There is so much that's up our alley,

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gambling outlaws, a woman way ahead of her time, and

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of course some truly terrible men. Are we going to

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bring up the elephant in the room that's on your face? Yes,

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I came prepared. I'm in costume today. I have a

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mustache stuck up her nose. Well, it's from that pizza box.

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I don't know if you're you know, a frozen pizza

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red baron. So yeah, I know. I can't remember the

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brand of it. I probably should, but it comes with

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this and you could wear it, and it was ideal

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because today, as you'll hear, this mustache, it's not just

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for men. There's mustaches for ladies. Our character in this

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story strong enough for a man but desired for a woman. Yeah,

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that's right. Actually, she, as you'll hear, was not a

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fan of this and probably would not appreciate me coming

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in costume. But here we are. We are talking today

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about Eleanor Dumont, Dumont. Dumont. Was that French? It is?

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It is so French. I thought, so Dumont is what

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I read at first, And I have family in Montana

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the last name Dumont, Dumont, so I was like, Oh,

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I wonder could they be related. No, not at all,

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and it's Dumont. I bet my family is Native American

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that has the name Dumont. But I'm guessing that's not original.

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I thought you said that they're not. Actually they're not

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actually any Native American. No, these are by marriage. They're

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very oh okay, it doesn't take very long up their

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lineage to be one hundred percent. They're very okay. But

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they by marriage. My aunt is not. But I'm sure

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they acquired this name somewhere. Back to the story. Eleanor

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Dumont or better known as Madam Mustache. Yes, she actually

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that was actually her nickname, Madame Mustache. And no, she

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did not ask for it or did she appreciate it.

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She was, however, a high class gambler, businesswoman, and absolute

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boss at the card table. She made money, ran high

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end gambling parlors where miners basically handed over their gold,

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and did all of this alone, traveling from town to

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town across the lawless West as a single woman. Almost

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her entire life was this the eighteen hundreds. Absolutely is

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we are with the outlaws. She actually, this isn't in

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my story, so I'll go ahead and just throw it

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out there. She taught Calamity Jane how to shoot or

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not from the beginning, but gave her some lessons so

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to sharpen her aim. Now she was in that era

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with those people. Unfortunately, she got the nickname Madam Mustache.

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Where Calamity Jane, Annie Oakley, all those people got great names,

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She got a mustache. I just listened to an episode

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of my favorite PNW podcast, Wiji Brad's, about Calamity Jane.

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And apparently, back in that day, a calamity can also

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be a reference to venereal infections. Oh no, And so

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there was a lot of debate about where she got

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her name, and that might have been one of them.

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Because she was well known that if you bought her

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a drink or two, she might be happy to go

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to bed with you. Interesting, I can see why they

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hung out out. Yeah, there's moments in time where they're

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probably very much in the same space. Yeah, but if

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you ask Colambity Jane, she would probably tell the story

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that she taught Yeah, this Madam Mustache how to shoot,

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because that's what Columby j liked to do. She was

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a big fish story lady. Okay, back to my tail.

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So she had the nickname she had been amongst these humans,

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Wyat or Calamity Jane, Billy the kid that era, that's

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her era. So love it because this is history and

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no badass woman is allowed to just win. Nope, things

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take a turn. Well let's just say in the end

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it isn't as glamorous as the beginning. But get ready,

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because this one's got money, crime, whiskey, and murder. Yep, murder.

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I love it. We are going unhinged, basically all the

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things that make history fun. So let's start at the beginning.

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To start, we don't know a lot about Madam Mustache,

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but we do know she was born as Simone Jewels

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in eighteen twenty nine, but we don't know where already

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a great name, yes, Simone Jewels, Yes, well, she leaves

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that name behind, unfortunately, and becomes eleanor Dumont. But she

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reports that she was born in Paris, but people are

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like or New Orleans, so she it's up for discussion

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whether she was born in Paris or New Orleans. She

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leaves her home in Louisiana at the age of eighteen,

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so we at least know that there is history in

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New Orleans. We're just not sure if she's actually born there. Wait,

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I thought it was pronounced narlens nhalns naalns. Well. I

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wonder if she would have she liked to talk about

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her French background, would she have used no la something?

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She said that a lot. I bet she said that

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a lot. She's born in eighteen twenty nine and leaves

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Louisiana at the age of eighteen years old, all by herself,

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a single girl at this point, and heads out to

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Sam Francisco. She eighteen eighty nine, No, eighteen twenty nine

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when she's born, so eighteen forty nine or I'm sorry

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forty seven? She oh, wow, okay, so early leaves Louisiana.

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She makes her way straight to San Francisco, where the

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gold rush is happening, and she gets off that train

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and she walks straight to the local saloon where there

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they have card games, card tables, and she becomes a dealer.

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Not just does she get really good at gambling, she

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becomes a female, a woman dealer in the local saloon

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in San Francisco. Say what, she became quite well known.

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They allowed women to do that? No, no, nope, but

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she for somehow she finangled her way to the table

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and was very good at it. I don't know if

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there was a hole in the day, like nobody showed up.

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I didn't wear a low cut dress. Well she did,

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yeah something. She got the job, did very well at it,

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became very successful, but became very well known and became

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a target. So the saloon let her go. And when

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they let her go, they said, you you should probably

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also leave town, just so you know, because you're in danger.

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Was it because people were bristling at the idea of

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a woman doing this job or do they feel was

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it people who lost the game and lost money and

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were From what I can tell, it's mostly the people

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that lost the game and they wanted to blame her

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because she's a woman. Okay, so they didn't just lose fairly.

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There was a woman dealing the cart, sure, and women

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are underhanded and dishonest. Of course, I don't think the

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reputable folks of the town were complaining about her being

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a female dealer as far as I could tell. Yeah,

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well it's the it's the cowards that always need somebody

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to blame, right, And you know, when you lose a

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lot of money gambling and you can get addicted and

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then you've got nothing in your destitute, you're going to

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look at her like she stole your money. So they

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let her go, said you should probably leave town. We

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think you're in danger. So she boarded a train with

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all the money she had saved. She by this time

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it accumulated quite a bit of money, took all of

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her belongings and went to Nevada City, California, where gold

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mining was thriving, and instead of panning for gold, she

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figured out the real money was taking the miner's gold,

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and so mining the miners, mining the miners at the

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card table. So gambling halls were nasty, dark, full of sweaty,

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drunk people, lyce ridden men, is what I read. Oh, yes,

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they weren't just stinky, they had lice. They wanted to

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have sex with women there too, right. I think that's

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probably why they're like, Hey, a bath is five cents,

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Why don't you do a nice bath before I take

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you up to the crib. Right, It's so relaxing. It's

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for you, not me. Right, yeah, well also for me.

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So these these card tables were also Wait, hold on,

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it's still like the West is very much loves to

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trick you with place names. Nevada City, right, I know

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they're in California. I know, I keep going. Now, when

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did she get to Nevada City? I wonder if that

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was along the lines of the people that got to

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a place and thought they weren't a different place and

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so named it. Oh, I wonder much like Christopher Columbus, Yeah,

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or like Joseph Smith or whoever. I don't know if

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it was Joseph Smith who led the Mormons to Utah

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thinking it was California. Oh, I don't know it was

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Jeffah Smith or if it was Brigham Young or one

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of the other Mormon people, but uh, yeah, led led

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his flock to Salt Lake City and it was like,

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welcome to California. This is where Heavenly Father has sent us. Oh,

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I didn't realize. I didn't know they were headed to California.

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I thought they just went this looks nice. You know

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where I learned that fact? I was from a movie

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I watched this week called The Heretic with Hugh Grant. Oh, yeah,

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I was gonna watch that. Was it worth it? Uh?

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It was a little confusing at parts, very kind of

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cerebral scary movie, like there's not there's not jump scares,

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and that's kind of my more my game. Yeah, it's

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very Uh, it's it's interesting. I think you'll like it. Yeah,

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I will not recommend substance with me. No, everybody's been

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talking about how good that is. Is it? Oh? I

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thought it was awful. You know what, it's a terrible

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movie that I watched last night. Huh, Alien Versus Predator.

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Requim why you're saying what I fell asleep for? I

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did this too, But then I had to see the

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end and it was just to me, first of all,

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it was it didn't make sense, like this is a

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this is way off topic. This is a woman who

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gets to change bodies, back and forth between a young

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one and an old one. But she has to do

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it every week. But you're the same person. You just

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get two bodies. You just spoiler alert, Yeah I haven't

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seen it. Well, we could cut this too. But the

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thing is is like when she's the young one, she

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does all these things that make it hard for the

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old one. I hate saying old one. She's like forty

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five my age old one to me more, she's only

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slightly older than me anyway. Uh, and then she does

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things that pisses off the other one. I'm like, no, no, no,

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you're the same person in two bodies. Don't act like

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you don't know what's happening here. Okay, that would be.

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And then so like she comes back into this body

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and she looks around, she's like, you've left this mess,

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You've done these things. I'm mad. I'm like, no, you're

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literally the same person. You did this, And then I

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could never get past that. Okay. So and then it's

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filmed a little differently. There's probably a style to it.

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It's I don't appreciate it. I'm I find out Corney

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probably is a very artistic thing. Well, now you've set

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me up to go in expecting to be disappointed. So

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maybe maybe I like it. I may have improved the

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movie for you. There you go, heretics good. There's some

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things in it that don't make sense that really left

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me scratching in my head. And then the ending is

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very much left to interpretation. Oh okay, of those things

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I might have done, so that one, that bit kind

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of leaves you like, there's like, wait, how did that

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and how and what architect built this house? But Hugh

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Grant's character fantastic, he's so good. I like you good.

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You don't have to keep the mustache out. I was

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in the park and I'm just kidding it. It's really

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starting to annoy me. Is it starting to get soggy

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being up your nose? No? Not yet. I was surprised

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have a very runny nose. Okay, now where were we? Okay?

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So she went off to Nevada City. Oh okay, this

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is where I really start to enjoy her as a human.

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So we talked about how these are terrible places. They're dark,

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they're smelly, they're full of drunk, lice ridden men. Right,

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But for Lar, she had a different vision for her

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gambling establishment. She was like, absolutely not she opened her

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own parlor called then it Un, which is blackjack in

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French means twenty one. Okay, then it un anyway, then

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so twenty one and we'll go. But that was the

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name of her establishment. Very high class, right, and then

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she served champagne instead of whiskey. Oh fancy, and the

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toe in it. Yeah. I mean that's kind of lame

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for the time, but could have improved this drink with

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the toe if those are wondering. If people are wondering,

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why look back at our other episodes. Sorry, another sidebar,

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So somebody did I tell you? Somebody commented on one

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of the posts for last week's episode about the Sourtoe

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cocktail and said that she is a member. So I

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was like, oh my god, you have to email me,

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tell me everything. So well, we'll see. Oh my god,

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I want to hear many tails someone. Actually we may

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get to hear from an actual member of the Towertcker.

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I don't think you're supposed to suck on the toe.

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You're just supposed to let it touch your lips. Okay, okay,

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the toe kisser, I know it's I'm very proud of

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you for being braver than Jody Era. Keith said he

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would do it. He agreed to. We're going to do

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it next next summer drive through trip. Ye okay, sorry, Okay.

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So not only did she serve champagne instead of whiskey,

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she hired respectable women to work there, women with more

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than one dress, women with very nice dresses, more than

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one and they had to be nice. And they were

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not sex workers. They were to work. They were car dealers,

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They served the drinks. They were high class, they were

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not for sale. And they were the only women allowed

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in there because she didn't want distractions. Okay, So she

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didn't let women gamblers in there because she didn't want

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them taking away from what she was trying to do, Okay,

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And when you're dealing with these type of men, she

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didn't need the distraction. So the women, though, were there

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to entice the men to spend more money. Basically kind of,

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they weren't there like with their tatas out. They weren't

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showing cleavage. They were high class women. They were there,

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they were reputable, they were But those men probably always

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had that thought the block of their mind that like

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maybe maybe if I continue to say, maybe I show

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off how much money did but can chill given. Yeah,

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she ran a really tight ship. You weren't to mess

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with these women. They worked there and they were to

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be respected. So she didn't allow any sex work, not

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at this time. Okay, we'll hear about her venture into

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that later, but at this time she was keeping those

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businesses separate. She wanted to make sure to make money

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at the gambling tables by gambling and having a a

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well run gambling establishment. You'll hear in the end to

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the everyone you know, outside of probably some people that

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lost a lot of money and the people in San Francisco,

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they really respected her. She paid out when you won big.

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She paid out what she had to pay. She didn't

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try to scam you, which I guess other establishments were doing,

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trying to get away with not giving you your winnings

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but taking your losings. Interesting, Okay, she was well known

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for being on the right side of that. So you're

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saying that this is a woman who probably could have

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made a casino in Atlantic City work and not go bankrupt. Correct,

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She would have been able to manage that business. She's

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a dumb woman, Yes, dumb woman. She would have been

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a dei hire but also successful. Right, She wouldn't have

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run a casino into the ground. I mean, I guess

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that's what di Ei is, but you know, letting those

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who can do do. Back to sorry Anti DEEI, where

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we hire people because we like their white faces and

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they're loyal. Okay, back to the story. So she did not,

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like I was saying. She did not put up with nonsense,

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No rowdy men. You were kicked out cheaters. You were

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publicly humiliated. If she caught you as a cheater, she'd

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tell the town. You'd be publicly humiliated. She was running

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a business, not a drunken brawl, and for a while,

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it worked and she made a lot of money. So

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this is where we now get to learn about her nickname,

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Madame Musta. Yes please, but first, since we are not

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gambler's shay, we need to take a break. Now the

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must I will spend us twenty dollars on video blackjack

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at the casino bar. It's time to hear from our

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sponsors and we will be right back. Which you never know,

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it might be an online casino. It could be. It

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could be, but we're not the gamblers. No, okay, welcome back.

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Hopefully the ads did not try to entice you into

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losing all of your money gambling, but if you do,

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twenty one is the way to go. When Eleanor was younger,

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she was known for being an elegant, beautiful woman, but

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as she got older, she developed a bit of a mustache.

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So you see these pictures over time, and they're not

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really pictures. They're drawing, drawing sketches of her. Obviously, there's

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a couple looks like photographs. But it's funny. If you

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go online and look up Eleanor Dumont, you will find

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the same photo of her with and without a mustache.

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So I'm like, wait, which one's edited, the one with

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a big furry mustache or the one with no mustache.

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It's obviously the same picture. At that time, like beauty

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regiments for dealing with a hairy upper lip had been

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going on for centuries, there were bleaches and shaved. I

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have wondered this because it did bother her, and by

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the things that I've seen, it was pretty extensive mustache.

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It wasn't just a little bit of a my peach

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fast right exactly, the turn dark over age right right,

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significant mustache, And so I don't know why. And you know,

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there were shaving happening. These men were shaving, like yeah,

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it's not like she couldn't have access to a straight razor,

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right exactly, So bleached like right for not liking it

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in this name, she Uh, I'm surprised she didn't do

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anything interesting. I mean, women had been bleaching their body

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hair for hundreds of years, right, Yeah. I was wondering,

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where's the maintenance here? I mean it was she was

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doing her hair, she was dressing very nicely, interesting she was.

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So I'm wondering if maybe she didn't really mind it

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that much, and she like somebody like, maybe she took

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it as a badge of something. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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It's reported she didn't like it, but she did nothing

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about it. But she got older, of course she developed

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bit of a mustache, and because men of the eighteen

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hundreds were just as masture as they are now, they

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started calling her Madam Mustache. It was actually a game

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where she was dealing and somebody lost money and he

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got mad at her, and he's like cursing at her

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and then called her Madam Mustache, and of course the

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whole place heard it, and they're like, oh, and there

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they went, and she became mad and mustache from that

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time rude. Did she love it? Absolutely not. Some sources

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say she laughed it off, others say it really got

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under her skin. But either way, history is annoying because

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this woman literally built an empire, and yet somehow the

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mustache is what people remember her for. And she did

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this all alone. That's why I just keep thinking the

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whole time. At this time, you're in the wild West.

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It's eighteen hundreds, and you are a woman amongst all

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these dirty, dangerous men, right and becoming successful and keeping

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yourself for the most part safe, not completely, but for

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the most part. It's a woman can't have anything on

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her own or any successes of her own right, otherwise

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it's threatening. And so we have, you know, there's this

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tendency to try to find a way to somehow put

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her down, to put her back in her place, right,

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because yeah, idea of a woman having some sort of

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power that is normally held by a man is threatening.

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And that wasn't just the eighteen hundreds. It continues. So,

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like I was saying, she's built this entire empire, she

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owns an establishment normally owned by men. She's running it

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in a way that's not attracting all the CD she's

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keeping it clean, and yet people remember her from her mustache.

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But Eleanor never stayed in one place too long. She

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set up gambling parlors across California, Idaho, Montana, and Nevada.

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Wherever gold was flowing is where she went. Oh, so

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she followed the gold mining rushes that happened throughout the

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eighteen hundred yep. As the towns dried up, so did

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her establishments. And so she just followed the gold and

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kept following it. Wow, And I imagine there was a

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lot of people that also did that, So she was

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well known by the time she got there. So by

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the time she would find a place to set up shop,

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everybody was ready to go because maybe a lot of

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these miners had come from the last mining town and

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they're like, oh, yeah, Eleanor over there. She runs a

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tight ship in a great place, and there's always lovely

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looking ladies there. As soon as she was in town,

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she was set up ready to go because she had

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that reputation. But here's the thing. Being a single woman

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in the Old West, it's not easy being rich single

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woman extremely dangerous. She was robbed multiple times, harassed, constantly

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and had to be tough as hell to survive. Yeah,

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because I'm wondering, like back then, especially if you're in

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industry like gambling, where you have large amounts of cash,

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you probably can't park them all in a bank. And

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then if you're moving from town to town to town,

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it's not like there's electronic right records, so you can

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go to San Francisco to get your money, but you

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have to have large amounts of cash on hand at

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all time because you have to be able to pay

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out those beds. So it's either you have money in

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banks across the west, or you just have a big safe,

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or you have it in your bra you have it

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in your shoes, you have it in your waist, you

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have it. Right. But I mean, she's she's going to

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be dealing with thousands and thousands of dollars that they've

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brought in and yeah, so yeah, but that part just

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shocks me. I mean, it's just so dangerous for her

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to have been doing that without money. Well, yeah, and

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think about like every time she moves town mm hmm,

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she's traveling with all of that money and people know

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left's oversight. Yeah, there's less people around to keep her safe.

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They all know when you know the town's closing up

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and where they're all headed and right, it's just crazy

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to me. So she did. She did have some run ins,

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but she was She was able to survive it, and

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she just kept moving, setting up new businesses, raking in cash,

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just staying ahead of the chaos. She was smarter than

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most of them, from what I can tell. She was

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ahead of the business, ahead of the crime. But because

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no good story is complete without one catastrophic mistake, she

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got married. Oh that'll do it every time, yep. And

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so she met a man in one of her establishments.

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He was a bartender. His name was Jack McKnight. Those

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bartenders look at you every time. He was the literal worst.

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He convinced her. So she had taken the time. She's

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getting on in her age, right, doesn't want to be

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traveling all over it's been dangerous. Time to settle down.

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How do I do that and stay making money? Especially

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if this town's gonna dry up just like all the others.

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So she bought a ranch. She wanted to get into

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cattle ranching, something where she could stay in one place

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and still make money. So she wanted to settle down basically,

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not necessarily with the man. She did this on her own.

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She wanted to do it on her own, but right,

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but just settle down and not be Yeah yeah, doing

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the traveling. Turns out she's really good at a lot

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of things. Ranching is not one. She struggled hard. It

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wasn't working. Oh my god, the dog just farted. Oh

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does it smell like a cattle ranch? That's that's the effects.

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Those are special effects. You put special effects up of

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poop smell in the air, just to bring the story

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on to life. Yeah, are you? Are you feeling more

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in it? I am? Oh god? Why didn't you feed him?

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He was bugging me when I was trying to write

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this morning, and so I gave him his like the

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treat ball full of peanut butter. Oh yeah, oh my

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eyes are literally it's wrong gas. It's not made its

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way across. You can keep it. You were so cute

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but so stinky. How does that come from such a

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tiny thing? Tiny cute things, silent but deadly, and he's

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like asleep. Okay. As a rancher, she was not quite

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as successful. She was really struggling. So this bartender convinces

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her he's a very successful rancher in his past life.

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And he's out here bartending, I guess, and for fun.

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I don't know, but he has some tofals I needed

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a human attraction. He's convinced her that he can really

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get her where she wants to be with her cattle ranch.

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So all you have to do is give me access

453
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:16.680
to all your money, absolutely by marrying me, because that's

454
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.240
what I do at that point. And yep, now the

455
00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.559
ranch is his, that's all signed over to him. Yep,

456
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:27.160
all the money is his. He promptly within months, sells

457
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:32.079
the ranch, takes every single penny she has, and leaves town.

458
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.400
She had absolutely nothing after all those years of what

459
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.039
she did as a single woman, avoiding marriage and all

460
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:46.119
its pitfalls for this reason. And Mary's one wrong guy

461
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:51.000
and he took everything. But Eleanor, being Eleanor, she did

462
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:54.880
not just let that slide. She went and took care

463
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.559
of business. She tracked him down and shoot him. She

464
00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:02.240
sure did, yeah too, shots to the chest. Okay, okay,

465
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.000
I'm getting ahead of myself. I got to keep my

466
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.119
pants on, but please tell me the story. She tracked

467
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.519
him down and personally shot him. That was the next

468
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:10.839
sentence of my story. So you got it twice in

469
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.680
the chest. Sorry, I don't mean to sound so gleeful

470
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:17.359
over somebody murdering somebody else, but well, you sound like

471
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:19.440
maybe the sheriff of that town, because he was, like,

472
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.000
I think he deserved it. She was never arrested. The

473
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:29.240
sheriff said, no witnesses, no evidence, and no one admitting

474
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:33.319
to it, so no arrest all right. Also he deserved it.

475
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:38.920
So she went back to Nevada City without a husband

476
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:44.200
and without a single dime. She was not able to

477
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:46.720
recoup the money that he took. I don't know what

478
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.519
happened to it. She shoots him and that's the end,

479
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:53.920
and she is destitute and broke. So despite her revenge

480
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.880
and retribution, she is not She's covered her loss. Yeah,

481
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:02.359
and so he's dead and so are her finances. So

482
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.119
what come becomes of her? Well, we're gonna find out

483
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:08.200
after the break. Oh man, Yeah, me all worked it.

484
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:10.400
I know. I feel like a really good television show

485
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:13.359
where they leave you on a cliffhangers. So we'll see

486
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:24.640
you when you get back. Welcome back. I hope the

487
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:28.160
ads we left you with were as adventurous as this episode. Yes,

488
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:30.680
if you're in the Pacific Northwest. I'm thinking about what

489
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.799
they've been playing. So it's a lot of commercials for

490
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:36.519
b e c U. Nice, I love the ecy. They'll

491
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:40.440
be like three commercials for b ECU and randomly one week,

492
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:42.880
even though I'm in Washington, I was getting all these

493
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:47.839
advertisements for utility companies in Alaska. Oh, it's the Northwest. Sure,

494
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.839
if I ever moved to Alaska, I will know what

495
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.640
you know. Tape options, cable service provider to go with.

496
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:01.200
Got it? Yeah, Well, if you're Wonderingor was never able

497
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:04.119
to really get back, get her feetback under her, with

498
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.440
everything that she'd worked so hard for gone, she returned

499
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.200
to what she knew and was successful in. She set

500
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:13.400
up a brothel. This time, so Eleanor picks up her

501
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:17.119
stuff and heads this time to Bannock, Montana. And this

502
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.799
time she took up a little bit of a different establishment.

503
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:23.440
This time she went for the sex work okay, and

504
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:28.119
she set up a brothel where the women were dressed

505
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:31.319
in high end clothing. They were dressed to the nines,

506
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:35.519
their hair perfect, their makeup perfect, they were bathed. These

507
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.039
were high class, more than one dress, in more than

508
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:42.240
one dress, and she expected again like her other establishments,

509
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.839
that the men that entertained themselves there would behave a

510
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.680
certain way. She had really high standards for this. She

511
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:53.119
did take her the ladies, I guess when business was slow,

512
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.880
put them in her little with a on her on

513
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.319
a wagon a carriage, and drove them through town, showing

514
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.720
off her and how beautiful they were and drying a

515
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:07.079
tract attention so to get customers a little billboard. So

516
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:09.200
I just picked up this book. I think it's called

517
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.079
Like Doves of the West, and it's about prostitution in

518
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.759
the West. And they were saying, yeah, that was there

519
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:19.359
was like very There were several different levels of houses

520
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.160
that sex workers worked out, right, So you had your

521
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.839
really upperclass ones like this, where the women were well based,

522
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:30.119
they were well mannered, they were educated, and men went

523
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:36.200
there and had companionship and titillating conversation. They were intelligent women, yes,

524
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.359
And then they got that at the end. And so

525
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.839
this is where the upperclassmen would go. And then you

526
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:45.319
had your next one down that was not quite as fancy,

527
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.400
but still maybe those women had more, like I keep

528
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:50.200
saying more than one dress, because that was one of

529
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.720
the things is that a lot of sex workers literally

530
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:56.640
had one dress, right that they would just continue to

531
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.200
mend over and over and over again and wash, and

532
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.680
then you went further down and further down. But that

533
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.000
is one thing that they did mention in this book

534
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:07.400
is that some of these establishments would put their most

535
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.039
attractive ladies in a wagon and take them around town.

536
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.640
But they would also hold grand balls at their establishment

537
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.480
to show off the women and show off what a

538
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:20.640
well run place, wonderful crisis was for entertainment. Right. It

539
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:23.440
wasn't your it wasn't going to ruin your communities, it

540
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.640
wasn't going to bring the CD. It was a high

541
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:28.960
class version. Yet. And I guess another thing some of

542
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.000
these houses would do is they would take some of

543
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.359
their the women who worked there, and they would go

544
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.480
out to They would follow some of these mining communities

545
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.119
occasionally and just set up shop for like a couple

546
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.960
of weeks, make a bunch of money, and then go

547
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.799
back to their their house. Oh yeah, in their main town,

548
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:52.039
which I kind of like Nevada. Now, yeah, I was

549
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:54.640
following someone on social media a couple ladies and that's

550
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:56.960
I mean, they're stay at home moms except for like

551
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.279
one week a month. Yeah, And they go work in

552
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:01.359
the bunny house and they come back and that supports

553
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:03.640
their entire family. Yeah, and then they can be amazing

554
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.480
mothers and support their kids, to be there for their

555
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.400
kids all the time. There's a lot of testing and

556
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:12.720
safety and all these things. Yeah, right, I have no

557
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:14.880
issue with it whatsoever. I don't either. I don't know

558
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:16.880
that I could do it, but I know that I

559
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.160
support it. I see the value in it, especially for

560
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.799
these moms they are They get to spend so much

561
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.039
quality time with their kids. Okay, so you were at

562
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.119
where she puts them in a wagon and prayed them around.

563
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:29.440
I wonder if she started that because it was a

564
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.799
big deal for her. I didn't know other people had

565
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.680
done it in the next year because I have two

566
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.960
books on prostitution in the West, and so I think

567
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.319
the next year is going to be a lot of

568
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.799
stories of prostitution in the West for me, because it's fascinating.

569
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.839
It is fascinating. All this survival stuff of the West

570
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.000
is fascinating to me. So many ways to have survived

571
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.720
and not survived. So she loaded them up, she drove

572
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.799
them around like a live billboard advertising the goods. And

573
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.799
this worked. It did tick off. The women in the

574
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:02.559
town now, the non sex, the wives, the mothers. They

575
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.839
did not enjoy this running through their town with thous

576
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.200
like Women's Temperance League sort of people. Yeah, but by

577
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:14.279
the late eighteen seventies, Eleanor's luck had run out. The

578
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.400
gambling scene had changed and she was getting older. People

579
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.079
weren't as eager to throw their money at her. So

580
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.119
in eighteen seventy nine she ended up in Bodie, California,

581
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:26.079
one of the roughest mining towns of the time. She

582
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.599
tried to start up her usually usual gambling operation, but

583
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.039
it didn't work out, and she was broke alone and

584
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.480
out of options. She had been desperate for money since

585
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.039
she had lost it all to mister McKnight. In fact,

586
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.359
she had never been able to recoup or get her

587
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.319
feet under her Even with her other ventures in Bannock, Montana.

588
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.880
It was enough to stay alive, but she was never

589
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.759
filling her coffers like oh I had been before. Everything

590
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.079
had changed kind of we're getting past that era of life,

591
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.599
and so the way she was making money wasn't as

592
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.119
profit Well. What year was this that she ended up

593
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.759
back in California. By the end, it's eighteen seventy nine. Okay, okay, Wow,

594
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:10.000
that's all happened fast. Well, eighteen seventy Yeah, she went

595
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:14.119
from like she went from eighteen to fifty here, So

596
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.319
she leaves town at eighteen years old, and so she's

597
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.640
born in eighteen twenty nine, so she spends from eighteen

598
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.279
to forty eight all of these forty seven that she went. Yes,

599
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:26.519
and so she's spent all of her up to fifty

600
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.440
years old doing this. Okay, but now it's all changed

601
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.119
a bit and she's not able to really fill her

602
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.039
bank account anymore. So now that she's in Bodie, she's

603
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.880
borrowed four hundred dollars from a well known gambler and

604
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.079
went out gambling one night. This is equivalent I think

605
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.039
to ten or twelve thousand dollars today. Okay, So he

606
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.319
loaned her this money. She's a well established winning gambler,

607
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.839
so the odds were good that he would get his

608
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:53.759
money back, but unfortunately she did not. She lost every

609
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:56.759
bit of that in one evening and now she was destitute.

610
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.680
She had nothing, in fact, owed four hundred dollars. Now

611
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.240
she walked to the local emporium, she purchased morphine. She

612
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.119
acquired her favorite bottle of red wine, and she went

613
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.639
out a mile from town, sat under a tree, took

614
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:14.280
the morphine and drank the bottle of wine. A goat

615
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.719
herd her found her the next day, her head laying

616
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:21.960
on a rock, her body laying there quietly, and a note,

617
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.599
and the note had admitted what she had done. She'd

618
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.800
purchased the morphine, drank the wine and said she was

619
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.840
just really tired of life. That's how I'd want to

620
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:33.400
go anyway, right now, That's what I was thinking, like,

621
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.760
go to sleep. I'm so tired all the time. That's yes, right,

622
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.639
And you know, narcotics such as morphine make you happy

623
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:43.000
on your way down, happy and happy, be happy to sleep,

624
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.599
yep yep. So the next day people found out that

625
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.360
she had actually passed away and how, and they gave

626
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.639
her a proper burial. Turns out, even in death she

627
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.559
was highly respected. Some of the quotes from the locals,

628
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.800
poor madam mustache. Her life was as square as a

629
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.800
game ever dealt. The world played again her with all

630
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.440
sorts of combinations, but she generally beat it. The turn

631
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.199
was called on her at last, for a few paltry hundreds,

632
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.000
she missed the turn. None of the old boys were

633
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.440
there to cover her bet for her, and she passed

634
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.760
in her checks game to the last. Poor Madam Mustache,

635
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.119
and she had the reputation of being honest in her

636
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.400
dealings and even always paying her debts. Upon this, she

637
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:28.119
prided herself and woe anyone to claim she did not

638
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.760
play fair. It is said that of the hundreds of

639
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.320
funerals held in the mining camp, that of Madam Mustache

640
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.239
was the largest. The gamblers of the place buried her

641
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.639
with all honors, and carriages were brought in from Carson City, Nevada,

642
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.400
a distance of one hundred and twenty miles to attend

643
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:48.800
her funeral. It's a long way to go by horse,

644
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.639
yes it is. And for that, like you're going there

645
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.199
to honor her, you're not going to come home with money.

646
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:54.800
You're not going to come home with money. It cost

647
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:57.239
you money to go, Yeah, a lot and time. Yeah,

648
00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.280
one hundred and twenty miles. In that era, it's not

649
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.039
an air fine fight in the one back. That's a

650
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.800
couple of days ride. Yeah, So that's it. Eleanor Dumont

651
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.880
an absolute legend of the West. She was too smart,

652
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.840
too independent, and too ahead of her time for the

653
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.639
world she lived in. So what are your thoughts, Shay,

654
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.320
Oh amazing. I know I loved it. I love hearing

655
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.480
these stories about women that made a life for themselves

656
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:26.480
and made a business like this in a man's world, right,

657
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:30.400
and just the perseverance and the strength and the quality

658
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.400
of character. And it just sucks that she unfortuately was

659
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.519
a band that took her down, right. Yeah, Like she

660
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.400
was so careful all the way up to that was

661
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.840
the tipping point. He must have been quite convincing, this

662
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.800
is I was thinking he must have done a really,

663
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.679
he must have been charming and convincing for her to

664
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.320
have fallen for that. She had been amongst men, yeah,

665
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.320
this whole time she'd beaten them in card games and business.

666
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.960
He worked for her, right, So yeah, maybe there was

667
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.920
a level of trust she had in him, an intimacy

668
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.840
of you know, yeah, of friendship that he was able

669
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.760
to take advantage of. Right. He convinced her that they were,

670
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.360
you know, in love, and that was not the case. No,

671
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.079
she one got by, a sneaky one got by. She

672
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.000
managed to keep them at bay. And well, I mean,

673
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.519
so problem is, as you get older, you started gett

674
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.920
even more insecurities, right, and i'd imagine, you know, as

675
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.000
you're getting closer to fifty. She wasn't quite fifty at

676
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.400
that time. She died at fifty forty nine to fifty.

677
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.039
She could see that, you know, as we all do.

678
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:35.320
And just like the movie I was talking about, you're

679
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.800
just let women become less valuable as we age. Yeah,

680
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:44.280
unfortunately in society, our value goes down as we age. Yep,

681
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.159
it's true. And she had seen that and was trying

682
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.320
to get ahead of that, like she did everything else,

683
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.960
and come up with another way to make money and

684
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.880
keep herself you know funded. Yeah, and turns out she

685
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.320
wasn't good at that one task, so she tried another

686
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.840
way to do it, and it was the wrong choice.

687
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.599
That's a shame. That was a great story. I absolutely

688
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.760
love it. This is why when I was reading it,

689
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:08.480
I was like, oh, yes, this is why we do

690
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.119
this podcast. I love these stories. Yes, this is like

691
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:15.440
the excitement for a story that I feel like we've

692
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.199
been maybe searching for for the last couple of months. Yeah.

693
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.800
When we're trying to deal with you know, sometimes we

694
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:26.599
have to block out the external world, right, yes, right now,

695
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.599
I think since November we've both been a little bit

696
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.920
down in a ditch of despair. It's hard to talk

697
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:37.840
about history without talking about politics. Yeah, and politics are

698
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:41.079
rough right now. Yes, so there no matter what in

699
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:47.159
that story, there's politics somewhere right, there's societal roles, there's

700
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.480
all of these things just still trouble us today. Yeah,

701
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:54.119
And it's hard to talk about them and not refer

702
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.519
to well, especially when you think about, you know, the

703
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:03.280
suffrage movement that has worked for decades to try to

704
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:08.280
advance women's station in life, to try to be more

705
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:11.800
of an even playing field. And it's been decades of

706
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:17.039
hard work and blood and sweat and tears, and things

707
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:18.639
have happened in the last couple of years that have

708
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.599
pushed it back, oh decade significantly, and that's really disheartening.

709
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.079
It's disheartening, and it feels to me, I know I've

710
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:27.760
talked to you about this, that I feel like I

711
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.480
need to take action somewhere. I owe it to those women.

712
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:35.119
I was born in a time, born in a time

713
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.280
where it was not legal for a woman to have

714
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:40.920
her own bank account, that a man had to be

715
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.960
on that as a signer. That's in my lifetime and

716
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:45.800
the only reason I can have a bank account on

717
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:53.599
my own. I don't, but I can is because of them,

718
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:58.639
And I feel like sitting here doing nothing is such

719
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.440
a slap in their face. They were out in those streets,

720
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.360
they were out with those signs. They were getting ridiculed

721
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:09.199
by people in their societies, ostracized, they were getting arrested

722
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.079
and having to pay bail and any legal things that

723
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.000
come from it. And I'm sitting here basking in the

724
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.559
sun of the rewards of that and doing nothing to

725
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:22.880
protect it. Right, shame. Well, we can highlight stories of

726
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.119
women who rose above their quote unquote station in life

727
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:30.840
to do things that normally men would do. Yep, that's right,

728
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.280
and remember them. Yep, that's right. It is one thing

729
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.039
we can do, at least with this podcast. And she

730
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.239
did it with good in mind. She wasn't in there

731
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:40.440
going I'm going to get rich in the gambling scene

732
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.800
by scamming people, getting people so drunk, I'm steal their money,

733
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.079
offering people who are winning too much. Here, I'm going

734
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:50.840
to do this on the up and up, and I'm

735
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:52.239
going to do a good job and I'm going to

736
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.920
make money. And she did. Yeah, amazing story. Thank you

737
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:57.840
for sticking a mustache up your nose for it too.

738
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.159
I really appreciate that. Yes, I couldn't wait. Actually it

739
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:06.039
was in my pocket. I turned to do something and

740
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.599
looked up and she has this mustache on her face.

741
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.960
I'd lost my scrap. Well, thank you so much everyone

742
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:17.440
for hanging in there with us. Really appreciate you guys,

743
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.119
all the people that are still continuing to listen to

744
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:25.039
us and are listening to our episodes every week when

745
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.280
they come back, when they come out. We really really

746
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.480
appreciate that. It really means so much to us. Really

747
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.440
appreciate all the people that reach out to us. Like

748
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.400
this week, a listener named Laura reached out and said

749
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.239
that she has just signed her mom and herself up

750
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.199
from my April nineteenth Stadium High School tour, and then

751
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.239
she followed us on the social media's and we've been

752
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.440
messaging back and forth. And I want to also thank

753
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:52.880
the Live Laugh Larceny podcast Oh Yes Yes, which a

754
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:58.559
couple weeks ago featured my listener's story on their podcast

755
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.880
about it's a must listen. It's a must listen. It

756
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.280
is a little bit of me bringing my shame to life,

757
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.639
my gut issues to life. Shamed dies and light. It

758
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:08.480
lives in the dark, so put it out there. Hey,

759
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:13.039
everybody poops, everybody has had stomach issues at some point.

760
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.920
So if you're wondering, so go listen to Live Laugh Larceny.

761
00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:21.320
It's it was the episode. I think it was entitled.

762
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.719
Now that's what I call Listeners Stories. Now, that's what

763
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.840
I call listeners Stories album three or something like remember that.

764
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.599
That's now that's what I call pop music three. You know,

765
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.880
the right. That's how they set it up. Very funny.

766
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.840
They are so good. They took that story with limited

767
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:41.280
information that I gave them and they made it perfect.

768
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.719
The chef's kiss. The only thing they got wrong is

769
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.320
chicken fried steak is not chicken, But that's okay. I

770
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:48.159
still like the way they did it, where you're like

771
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.239
mother and child come together on the plate. I know,

772
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.079
I've always thought of this, and when they said it,

773
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.920
I was like, I was I thought the only one,

774
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:57.639
only one that I thought this was like morbid. I'm like,

775
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:03.159
first of all, and chicken nothing, no, it's it's but

776
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:08.880
that's fine. Other than that, everything else and egg and

777
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:12.440
then fry it. And I'm always like, oh, that's that's

778
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.480
that's my cop that's yes, well, and then if you

779
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:18.159
served it on a plate with eggs too, it's weird.

780
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:21.639
But they did an amazing job. And I love their podcast.

781
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:23.760
If you need something light to listen to, that's just

782
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:26.440
gonna make you laugh. They do an amazing job. Love

783
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:28.599
Live Life Lay and they are friends with our friends

784
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:33.519
Caitlin and Cassie Fromicides, who we will actually be. We're

785
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:37.719
going on a pod Gal's trip here and by the

786
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.000
time this comes out, we'll probably be about to take

787
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:42.719
off on it, and we are going down to Portland.

788
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:44.880
We're gonna go on the Shanghai Tunnel Tour, which we're

789
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.400
very excited, and we're kind of scared because I'm scared

790
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:51.159
of being shanghaied, even though it's a term we're not

791
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.559
really supposed to use anymore. Oh really, dang it, you're

792
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.280
gonna have to fill me in. Yeah, I mean, it's

793
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.800
again a racist term, see, and I feel like it's

794
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:05.159
a defensive to those shanghaiing people. But apparently it was

795
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.000
only because the people were being kidnapped to be sold

796
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:13.199
to Oh you, indentured servants on ships that were trading

797
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.559
with China, got you. That's why it was called that gotcha.

798
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:19.519
So what do we call it? Then? Just keeping that

799
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:24.760
doesn't seem like good in a h stronger verbiage. I

800
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:26.760
don't know, but we're gonna do that. We're gonna stay

801
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.559
at the Crystal Hotel. Oh yes, I've're gonna stay there,

802
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.719
but I've been there. We're going to do lots of

803
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.400
fun things. Who knows what adventures that weekend. It's just

804
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.119
one night. Oh, we're gonna go stay in Astoria. Oh yes, yes,

805
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.840
and we're going to go to the Astoria underground shops

806
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.800
that are I had no idea existed. I'm very excited.

807
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:45.639
I know we've been there and did not even there's

808
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.760
so many times had no idea this existed. It looks amazing.

809
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:54.320
So guys, if you want to hear more stories about

810
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.199
amazing women from the West, why don't you email me

811
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.760
with your ideas. I love hearing from you, guys. Shay

812
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.840
as h Ea at Rainy Day rabbit Holes dot com.

813
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:05.880
You can reach out to us through the website, but

814
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.360
I might be slower to respond that way because it

815
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.280
gives me a message that I have a message, and

816
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.480
I go check the message. I'd rather just check the message,

817
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:18.119
email me directly and then please if you can follow

818
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:23.239
us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, leave us a review if

819
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.519
if you feel up to it. Hopefully it's a five

820
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:27.639
star review. Somebody has left a one star review, but

821
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.440
they didn't put a review in with it. They just

822
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.320
gave us one star rating. And there's somebody who left

823
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.400
us a two star rating, and I'm very upset. Well, yeah,

824
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.840
give us some feedback, Yeah, give us feedback. Everybody else

825
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:39.920
has been five stars. Nice. So we have a four

826
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.119
point six rating, which I think is for good. That's

827
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.039
not bad, that's really good considering the really low Yes,

828
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.519
they can really take it down. Yeah, it's probably have

829
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.119
a lot of good. They were probably being too political, probably,

830
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.639
but again it's so hard to do right now, I

831
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.719
think that there's I'm not I think we're past the

832
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:03.320
point of being precious about it. No, like not having

833
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.480
a side at this point, about this point, we can't

834
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:11.039
not air our opinions to a point. So because people

835
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:15.679
are being harmed, ye, and that makes us sad. So anyway,

836
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.360
it's weird. Good people, good people, and we don't like

837
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.840
bad things happening to good people, right, Okay, and that's it,

838
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.440
all right? Well, thank you guys. Remember, you can find

839
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.880
out more about everything at Rainy dayrabbit holes dot com

840
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.199
and we will see you next time. See you down

841
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.159
the rabbit hole.