Oct. 15, 2025

Creepy People Chronicles: Mediums & Mischievous Spirits

Creepy People Chronicles: Mediums & Mischievous Spirits
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On this episode of PNW Haunts and Homicides, we explore the creepy world of the paranormal and true crime in the Pacific Northwest. Join us as we share listener tales, including a mysterious message received by mediums at the Delaney House. Then a Ghosts of the Grand paranormal investigator reveals a mischievous spirit known for manipulating temperatures and behaving provocatively. We end our spooky journey with a story sent in by "VICP" (Very Important Creepy Person), Judy, from the Nightmare Factory in Salem, Oregon. Don't miss our tarot reading at the end, seeking deeper insights into these haunting stories!

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There's a very predominant male presence who refuses to give

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us his name. He likes to give like fake names.

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Oh okay, but he will demon vibes. Yeah, kind of,

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but he's probably not that cool.

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But the thing is is like he wants us to

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believe that he's a demon.

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Ah, but we know he's not.

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That's one of the really funny things. We just we

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know that he isn't. But he's just like, I am

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big tough man.

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We don't like those living or dead. Yep, Hi, Caitlin, Hi, Cassie, Hi,

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Creepy People. Hello, this is PNW Hanson Homicides, where we

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chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky

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in the Pacific Northwest.

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It's PNW.

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If you're nicety, we've already established that we are and

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you are. That's why you're.

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Listening presumably, or you are stumbling across this the first

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time and you're very confused and for that we will

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not apologize. We also do a tarot reading at the

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end of every episode for a little bit of deeper

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insight into our topic.

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Yeah, hey, do you like taro? Stay like us? So

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we have a Creepy People Chronicles episode for you today,

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which is stories from our listeners, stories from sometimes me,

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but surprised this one's not all about me this time.

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What I know?

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I know, darn it right. Well, it's kind of semi

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about me, but like only a little bit. Oh okay,

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So we have a couple stories that I left out

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of the Delaney House episode from Vicky and Zoe. So

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Vicky had a story of do you remember the mediums

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that she was talking about Meggie and Sherry that came

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to visit, and I'm saying do you remember, I'm kind

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of talking to you and to the audience because she

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didn't mention them in the episode. Okay, So Vicky has

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stories from the couple mediums that visit all the time

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and do paranormal investigations there at the Delaney House. She

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has a story involving them. Oh, there is a story.

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Where Maggie and Sherry had gotten kind of a message

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when they were going to leave one night and they

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were said, next time you come, they sit out there.

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Next time you come, sit and bring a third chair,

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and they went off some special it's going to come,

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you know.

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So next time they came, they sat out there.

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You know, you know, they worked in the house and

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did their normal investigation, but they would go out there

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and they had that chair there all evening and nobody

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ever sat in it, and they thought, I wonder why.

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And then a friend of mine called and said, you know,

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my husband and I would like to come and spend

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the night on the way to California. I said, okay,

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And so I asked them and they said, yeah, it's okay,

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we're going to be leaving. We're not going to be

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here all night.

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I said, okay.

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So my friend shows up and she went out there

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and she had a question for them about clearing a

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space of negative energy and they said, well, and it

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was in another state and they said, no, we really

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don't know anybody why. And then Maggie said to Jerry, well,

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tell them about that time thirteen years ago that you

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were in. Well, it's Quarterley in Idaho. So she said, well,

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we were on a trip we stay, you know, we

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needed a place to stop and have dinner. We were tired,

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so we stopped and we started eating at this Chinese

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restaurant and my friend was crying and they're like, are

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you okay? And I stepped outside right at that moment

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and said what's going on? And she you know, they

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you know, they got done telling her that, and she goes,

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all I heard was Shasta, stop, Shasta, no Asta house.

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And she kept hearing this, and Sherry was going, count Shasta,

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what are you talking about? And she said, I'm sorry,

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but you're too loud. I'm going to go outside and

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eat because I can't eat. Someone's screaming in my ear. Whoa,

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And so she went outside and that was the end

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of it, you know. So here we are, thirteen years later,

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she's telling this story and my friend is crying. And

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my friend said, well, that was my family's Chinese restaurant,

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my family that was murdered by a serial killer, and

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the youngest daughter, Shasta, was the only one who survived.

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Yes, I know this story. So she said.

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All I wanted to do was literally have someone go

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to this how to the place where it happened, and

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tell the mother that we were sorry. When we went

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to the funeral, the two children were still missing. They

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went to the funeral for the oldest son and the

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boyfriend and the mother and her brother who it was

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his kids no longer lived there anymore, and they just

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wanted to say they were sorry. Because they thought that

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she had been it had been some bad friends of hers,

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or something had happened. That was her phone, and they said,

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we just want her to know that we are sorry,

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because we never in a million years thought, you know,

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that we that it was that you know, that it

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was a serial killer. You know, we just thought there's

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something bad had happened. And the ladies were sitting here

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and they went, she knows. So this was somehow facilitated

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by my spirits. My friend came here all the time

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and would sit out there in that corner. And every

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time she'd come, she'd sit all night. She's kind of

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a night owl. She'd sit there all night, Yeah, and

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just you know, the perfect night and listen to the

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owls and you know, just enjoy herself. And she she

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often saw someone walking through the you know, on the

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porch and stuff at night.

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Oh wow.

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I just feel like the whole story kind of came

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to a point where they reached out. And it was

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her nephew who was one of the boys that was killed.

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He was the one who wanted to you know, wanted

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to reach out and knew that his aunt was suffering.

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And it was okay, everybody knows that you guys are sorry.

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So that was almost the moment where I really believed

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a lot more than I ever had been before, because

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how would they know.

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Yeah, right, there's just there's just no way. Yeah.

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So, and it was just so weird, just so far

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apart from us every meeting, any of us ever meeting.

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So wow. And then we have another story from Zoe,

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who was the paranormal investigator that we talked to who

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works at Ghosts of the Grand Yeah, and she has

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a story about an entity or something negative that hangs

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around I think she said in the basement, we'll hear

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the story. We'll hear it directly from Zoe, so she

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could tell us.

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I'm so excited to hear all of these things that

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I was there for but have no memory of and

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didn't hear and absorb in real time.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know where you were for the interview

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with Zoe. You weren't there, but I don't know if

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you had lingered in the background at all, or I

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think I might have been in the kitchen. I think

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at that point Vicky was making me tea. Oh yes, oh.

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Yes, there's a lot of activity in the basement. There's

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a lot of women in the basement. Surprisingly kind of

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braces my whole heart. There's a lot of women's spirits

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in the basement. There's some children down there, and there's

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there's a very predominant male present who were refuses to

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give us his name, and it pisses me off because

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there's been multiple people that have gone to the grand

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and every single one that I've seen at least has

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come across him. And he likes to give like fake names.

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Oh okay, but he will demon vibes. Yeah kind of,

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but he's probably not that cool.

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But the thing is is like he wants us to

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believe that he's a demon.

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Ah, but we know he's not.

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That's one of the really funny things. We just we

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know that he isn't. But he's just like I am

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a big tough man.

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We don't like those living or dead.

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Yeah, yeah, there is a reason why he he is

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the one spirit down there that I will take a

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little page out of zaxx book.

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Because it's like, if you were actually a demon, you

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would have possessed me by now.

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Yeah, it's funny because he does he does like to

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manipulate the time in the basement.

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Okay, like, does he make it hot?

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He makes it very hot in rooms down there, which

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you know it's it's a basement in one D and

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twenty five cold. There's no heating down there.

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Yeah, there's no heating.

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There's no heaters down there. There is the original furnace

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of the building down there, but that is not operational.

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Does he come with a sulfury smell? Are we sure

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he's not a devon?

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Yeah? No. A lot of people attribute making rooms hotter

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with demons.

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Well that's what I've heard.

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Yeah, but from everything that we've been able to tell,

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he's not a demon.

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I feel like he just did his research and trying

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to think it until he makes it. Yeah.

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He likes to swear at people. He likes to touch women,

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especially inappropriately. Oh yeah, I have a lot of experiences

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with him. He's called me bitch on our spirit box

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one time I called for I wish that we had

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it on film because I would share it because it is.

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It's one of the funniest things to me, because it

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is such it's such a time bringing people down into

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the basement that I've just met and immediately hearing bitch

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as I'm talking about him.

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That is not cool.

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I'm sorry, I find it hilarious personally. Yeah, people have

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been like, oh, that is so horrible. It's like, yeah,

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I'm used to it with him though. That's the thing.

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I just feel like, I am a bitch, so whatch.

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Yeah, I'm a bitch to him specifically.

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So you know, it's maybe that's his way of just

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greeting you. Now, He's like, that's.

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He likes to try and take control the situation. I

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think he doesn't like that. I'm not scared of him.

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Right, like a strong woman, strong independent women.

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Yeah, I've never been afraid down there ever. And uh,

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usually spirits like that, especially ones who in life were

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very like controlling men, they especially hate it in death

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if you're not afraid.

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Yeah, I like, I just want to go there so bad?

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Is this in the basement?

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Yeah, it's in the basement.

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That's where you lock people down like you do.

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We bring people down there and we bring our supplies in.

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We we have a rempot, we have I think two rempods,

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and we have a spirit box. We have EVPs that

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we give people and we have a little spirit chat

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box where it's it's like a spirit box, but it's

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basically like a dictionary. It's a whole library of words

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where the energy can be manipulated to the point where

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it brings up specific words.

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Is it like.

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Yeah, it's like an.

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Okay, got it? And do you get a lot of activity? Oh?

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So much. They they've been really excited ever since we

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brought in the spirit chat box. They love that thing

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so much, so much so that we don't really get

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in anything on our actual spirit boxes really anymore. They

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are so preoccupied.

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With taking their words.

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Yeah. I think they like that. It's a lot more

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specific for them.

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That is so cool.

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Yeah, because with a spirit box, you know, they have

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to go through channels and pick out words from those. Yeah,

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whereas with this is they can just they pick out

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what word they want with how they manipulate it.

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In theory, yeah, right, we know we kind of know

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how these things.

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Work because they're in this podcast. We understand, but I

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will clarify in theory because unfortunately we only understand so

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much about how our instruments work. Scientifically, well, we're always

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trying to understand, and I mean the most the thing

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I think we're all trying to do is just gather

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as much evidence as possible.

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but we're just trying to gather as much evidence as

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possible to just try to understand the other side. So, yeah,

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we're investigating. We're paranormal investigators exactly. That's what investigating is,

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is just trying to understand.

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Yeah, look and try and understand. I love glancing over

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and just seeing the flashing the flashlight thoughts so funny.

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I know I kind of forgot to pay attention to them.

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But oh, yep, thank you, yeah, thank you, thanks for

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playing with us. That's so much fun adding to the conversation.

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Honestly, I've yeah, I've never run into anything that I've

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been genuinely afraid of or genuinely think would bring me

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like absolute harm. I I can't say for certain if

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the bad man would want to, he probably would try

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and harm me if you could, but he can't.

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You're too protected.

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you ever go paranormal investigating, remember please use protections.

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Use protection. Everybody use protection.

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You just have a black tormaline on you or visualize

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like a white shield around you before you go. That's

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a really good one. I like to use visualization. But

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I also I forgot to today just because I knew,

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like coming in to hear, this is not a place

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with any negative energy that I really need to shield

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myself from. So I was like, I don't need to

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go all out, but I use perfume with intention.

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Oh that's genius. Yeah, because see.

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Yeah, it's just really easy and it's something that people

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can do every day really too, just like before they

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go outside. You know a lot of people like wear

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like perfumes are cologne. So it's just like doing that

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and like setting your intentions while you.

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Do keep it all a little selenite stone or something

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and like, yeah, but just the intention though, like weave

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a little magic and life. I think it helps.

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I don't think I got mentioned in the Ghosts of

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the Delaney House episode because spoiler alert, there might be more,

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but I don't think I got mentioned that Chelsea, who

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runs Ghosts of the Grand hooked us up with Vicky

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at the Delaney House.

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Yes she did.

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She hooked us up with phone numbers and like set

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this whole thing up for us to come and tour

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it and hang out and do the interviews.

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I'm telling you.

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we're gonna have her on probably at some other point,

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and we're going to be visiting ghosts of the Grand

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very soon. Yes, we are, stay tuned for that.

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I'm just saying good things come from Chelsea's.

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So we got an email. Someone finally emailed us as story.

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After me say that threatening you guys, someone emailed you

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say that. But we got another email and I might

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read a part of it in the episode where I

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take their case suggestion.

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So we got an email from a very important creepy person,

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a vi i CP.

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I'm not gonna lie. I kind of like that v

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I CP.

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And I don't know if you know this, but I

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will tell you why she is a vi CP. Okay,

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please do. We got an email from Judy about the

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Delaney House. She says in her title Delaney House. Question Mark,

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question Mark, question Mark. So she like listened to the

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episode immediately and was like, oh, I have a story excellent.

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By the way, we met at Nightmare Factory. No we didn't, Judy,

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well you kind of did. Do you remember the button

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face video?

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Yes, that's Judy.

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Judy.

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Okay, Judy. So we've kind of unofficially met.

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So Judy invited both of us, but kind of already

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knowing that Caitlyn wouldn't want to go to the haunted

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house called the Nightmare Factory. It's at the Organ School

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for the Deaf in Salem, Oregon. You know, we invited

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Caitlyn she is she was like, I'm busy that day,

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you know what.

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I was there in right, So.

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I brought my friend Michelle with me and we had

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a blast going through. We were the only ones in there.

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We got to go through alone, and Judy was nice

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enough and oh my gosh, and all the actors were

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just so nice enough to just let us take I mean,

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we tried not to take too much time, but we

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took a little time looking at everything because they work

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so hard, of course, putting it all together, and it's

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so beautifully decorated. So we just took our time in there,

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you know, wandering around all scared, looking at everything, you know,

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getting distracted looking at something and then get scared. So

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that made the jump scares like even better. Oh yeah,

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it was so much fun. And I gosh, I did

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feel I feel bad sometimes because we were just really

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looking at things and I was like, man, I'm sure

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they want the actors want to get out of here.

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They're like, get these people, we want to go home.

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I don't know. It's a passion project.

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Yeah. I hope they had fun, because we had just

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a ton of fun just hanging out there and getting

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scared and hanging out with Judy. There was one point

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where she she was at the beginning and then she

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met us like in another part and she was doing

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the scare monster thing and it had a little mishappen.

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We have a video of it that I'll probably I'll

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probably put together a little video for Patreon, just like

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a little bonus. Something happened with the with the thing

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with the scare, and so we were just cracking up, laughing.

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I was like, one of the rules is you can't

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touch anything, oh you know, out of respect, you don't

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mess anything up. But something fell off of the scare

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and I was like, I would like pick it up,

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but I like, can't because I'm not spelled.

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Oh no.

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And then she came out and it was Judy, and

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so we were cracking up. So that was pretty funny.

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And then she kind of you know, walked around with

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us for a little bit, pointing out a couple little

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things here and there, and then it was a really

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good time. I love that it would have been too

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scary for you, though, I think you would. I don't

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think you would have. You would like to do like

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the lights on tour. Oh yeah, like that's so you

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could see all the details and things. But yeah, or

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maybe lights like in the dark tour but like no scares,

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no job. Maybe yeah, I like that too. Maybe we'll

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have to set something like that up for you someday.

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Yeah, one of these days. Okay, So everybody who has

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access to these things that will make me not never.

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Sleep again or pee her pants.

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Yeah, also peeing my pants not on my bucket list.

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Okay, So we get a little backstory here from Judy.

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I met my now husband through his daughter and my son,

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both age five. Oh it's a kindergarten, right, kindergarten? Yeah,

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to the two childless people trying to guess what uh

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age kids go to school? What age grades.

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Are kindergarten and then like high schoolishes ages, I can

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guess that anywhere in between.

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Really Yep, they went to the same babysitter, so I

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knew the mom of his daughter before I knew him oh, okay,

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you know my ex. So it all feels complicated. Machine

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gun Kelly, just bringing that back. She asked me one

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day to go pick her ex up in the next

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town over and bring him over were to move in

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with her because she was having a nervous breakdown and

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needed her ex husband to move in with them. That's

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an interesting request. But okay, okay, I did that, which

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you know, you're so hopeful, you're such a helpful person, like,

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go pick up my ex in the next town. I'm

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sure maybe she has to.

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Yeah, I hope, so, I really hope.

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So I did that, And that's the first time I

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met him, and I feel like it was like a

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tailor's swift sparks fly situation. M After the ex wife

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had recovered a little bit and was ready for him

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to move on, I told him I needed somebody to

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move onto the farm and help take care of my

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son and also take care of the farm. I thought

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she was gonna say, and also take care of me.

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Yeah, that's his business, the farmland, if you know what

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I mean.

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I hope you don't mind our dirty we kind of

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I kind of know. I feel like I know Judy

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a little bit, so I feel like we can make

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a little joke.

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Judy, I feel like at this point in your listenership,

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you're not Yeah, if you're not acquainted with the dick

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jokes then and are very juvenile humor. I just I'm sorry,

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I sorry.

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Not sorry. Is that still the thing people say we

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sawd it earlier? Yeah?

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I'm still little sorry.

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Maybe, but we can move on and finish your story

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for her. Okay, after he moved onto the farm as

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just a roommate taking care of things since I worked

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and he didn't. Oh, that's very nice. That's like so

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convenient too, Like put the man to work at the home.

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We've just we talked about that, put the men in

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the kitch literally, stay at home dog dad. We all

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noticed that the ghost sounds that my son and I

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would hear didn't happen when he was around.

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Oh.

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I could explain away the steps on the stairs, since

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the house was built in eighteen seventy and this was

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about nineteen ninety seven when it all started happening, so

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old house makes sounds very old, possibly or maybe they

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were footsteps. I couldn't explain away the crashing sound in

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my bedroom that turned out to be absolutely nothing when

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he was not home. I don't like that. Okay, So

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the sounds were like happening when he wasn't there and

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when he was there.

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Yeah, so they have a misogynous ghost.

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Maybe that night I decided not to leave the couch

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until he got home to check everything out, which I

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totally understand that.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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So time went on, the kids got older and they

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would always hear things happen when my roommate was not around.

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The house burned down in two thousand and two and

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we worked on building a new house. I'm so sorry.

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That is like, oh that you just I feel like

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you just like casually threw that in there.

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Oh that gave me chills though.

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Wow. I was married to someone else at the time,

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so I had the farm nanny, his daughter, my son,

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and my husband all living in this big farmhouse. So far,

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farm nanny is the roommate who's future husband.

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Okay, so that makes sense. But it's like it's like

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multi well I guess I want to say, like multi generational,

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multi family, their kid. Yeah, multi family is the right

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way to say that.

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I think, Yeah, it's farm nanny and his daughter and

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then yeah, Judy, her husband and their kid. So it

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is like two families and one.

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Yeah, multi family. No, that's that's exactly what it is.

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And I mean it's a big farmhouse, right, so it

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seems seems legit seems like it. So we get the

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house finished, and my husband at the time, right, because

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our house burned down and all those people were living

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in it is that Oh my gosh, okay, they were

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finishing a new house. And my husband at the time, well,

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he had some issues of his own. He was a

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drug addict as well as verbally abusive, mentally abusive, and

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really didn't help much at all when we were building

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the house. Well that is oh, well, that's rude, that's shitty.

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I'm sorry to go through that. I'm glad you have it.

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Sounds like other people around you to help though, yeah,

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oh it sounds okay. Sorry, this sounds like like just

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you know, when it rains at poors type of situation

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because it keeps going. My dad died a little after

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we had finished the house. My kids would say they

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heard things and would say that they knew it was grandpa. Oh,

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like sad and heartwarming at the same time. They would

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just ask Grandpa to be quiet and all was fine,

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just boh, my, your grandpa. We're trying to focus.

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Keep it down, we're trying to fall asleep.

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He was so sweet that they're not even scared because

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they were just like, it's grandpa.

477
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:05.079
It's grandpa. Obviously.

478
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.680
We were just talking about how ghost should be that

479
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.480
scary because they're just people. They're just us.

480
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:13.400
Yeah.

481
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:17.359
Soon after, I ended up divorcing that husband, and years

482
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:22.720
later I ended up marrying the roommate. So the farm nanny.

483
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:29.359
Farm, Okay, I had to I had to stop myself.

484
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:33.960
I was like, boy bye, say hello new farm boy.

485
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:35.880
Oh it was her.

486
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:39.400
Princess bride farm boy. And he would say as you

487
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:41.640
wish to her every time she needed something down on

488
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:43.359
the farm. And that's just how it is in my head.

489
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:45.720
And you can't, Judy, Please don't tell me otherwise.

490
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:50.319
Yeah, listen, Usually we are all about reporting the facts,

491
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:53.559
but if those aren't the facts, we want to report

492
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:57.240
false news. I can't handle the truth.

493
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:01.039
Someone's gonna clip that from me saying we report false

494
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:03.440
news and like put it all over TikTok, and like.

495
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:08.640
You know what, people are gonna do peoply things, and

496
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:10.680
they're gonna do what they're gonna do? What are you

497
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:11.160
gonna do?

498
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.559
So this is how things kept going. I'd hear things

499
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.519
even after the kids moved out, but not if my

500
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.160
new husband was there. Everything was always quiet. So he

501
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.559
was like maybe like a shield, He's like a protector.

502
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.440
Oh you know what, though, that kind of makes sense

503
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.599
because think about all of the things that used to

504
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:35.839
happen in the old apartment m and a lot of

505
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.559
it happened when Chris wasn't there.

506
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:42.519
Oh. I never brought this up to anybody, but finally

507
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:46.039
I said something in a forum online and a friend

508
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:49.880
of mine messaged me that lives a thousand miles away,

509
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.200
but we had visited just a little while before that,

510
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:57.880
so they keep in touch on on the forum. It

511
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:00.400
reminds me kind of me and you and like same,

512
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:02.000
like morbid fangroup.

513
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:04.960
That's so funny. I was thinking kind of the thing.

514
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.319
I'm like just far.

515
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.640
Yeah, I saw our post on there and was like,

516
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:11.640
oh my gosh, I just saw you, and like this

517
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.759
is happening. That would be kind of crazy, Yeah.

518
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.799
It would you have to like take that as some

519
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:19.759
sort of a sign. I think she.

520
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:24.720
Has said that she always hears voices and always sees things,

521
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.240
and when my husband was there, everything was quiet. So

522
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.880
this person was also experiencing the same things in the house.

523
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:37.200
Oh my gosh, that's very validating. Yeah. I felt that

524
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.720
finally somebody else saw what I was seeing, and my

525
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.400
husband was kind of amazed at it as well. Okay,

526
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:49.839
so making the husband believe is a huge milestone in life. Yeah,

527
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:54.960
in the paranormal world, or the making the like spouse believe. Yeah,

528
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:55.759
you're a god.

529
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.319
Damn right it is. I were breaking him down every goad,

530
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:00.599
damn day.

531
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.799
Chills all in a way. Fast forward maybe ten years.

532
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.119
We went to Virginia City in Nevada. That's confusing.

533
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.519
That is very confusing, and I don't like it. I'm

534
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:13.880
not gonna lie. We're not gonna like this either, because

535
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.720
it's great. We went to Virginia City in Nevada and

536
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:22.200
visited the McKay mansion there that is haunted. So we

537
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:24.519
went inside and I was talking to the guy that

538
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:28.160
had just captured some growls on his phone and I

539
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:32.440
was listening to what he had in his recordings. Zach

540
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.519
Begins had been there a couple of weeks earlier, by

541
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:41.480
the way, so you walked where Zach Begans walked in

542
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.200
the footsteps. Cue the jerk off motion.

543
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.079
We talked about love hate love hate love hate.

544
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.839
Yeah, it's uh, the ratio swings hard in one direction.

545
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:54.880
If you know, I'm a hard fifty to fifty. You

546
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.599
can't break me either way. It's a hard fifty to fifty.

547
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.119
A little later, someone walked up to my husband and

548
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.759
asked when he was leaving. All the activity stopped when

549
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.759
he came in, So I think they're asking like, hey,

550
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.079
can you get out of here so we can like

551
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:13.400
experience some paranormal activity please?

552
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:15.119
Oh my god.

553
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.640
So either he's so scary that the ghosts are afraid

554
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.759
of him, or he's a protector, which I'm being a protector,

555
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:25.920
or or or.

556
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.200
My first theory, which was that they are misogynous ghosts

557
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.720
and they're just like, we don't want to behave badly

558
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.839
towards females in front of another.

559
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.200
May that's true, and if Zach Begans was just there,

560
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.440
they're probably like, man, he was like on our side,

561
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:49.039
where's the bagel bites? So that's kind of funny though

562
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:50.759
that they were like, Okay, when is this guy leaving?

563
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:55.920
Because yeah, yeah, they're like, cuz ain't nothing happening. So

564
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.160
we left soon after that they got man, they got

565
00:30:58.240 --> 00:30:59.920
kicked out of the ghost places.

566
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:08.200
It's hilarious. You got kicked out because you are ghost kryptonite. Yes, literally.

567
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:13.079
Oh so maybe you need to bring him with you.

568
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:14.480
That's what I might.

569
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:19.480
I'm like not to be inappropriate with other people's husbands,

570
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.559
but when I borrow you, like also like we can

571
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:25.839
all hang out together. I'm not trying to make it weird.

572
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:33.079
Yeah right, I just I really potentially need some ghost kryptonite.

573
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:40.160
So we're fast forwarding again to November seventeenth, twenty nineteen.

574
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:48.000
Ooh ooh, right before all hell work loose, right before

575
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.160
the the Great Panini.

576
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:54.079
Yeah, the Great Panini. Yeah, remember the before times.

577
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.440
Oh, we were invited to a party which was probably

578
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.559
the last party you attended for very long No.

579
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:06.319
Oh oh boy, I hope you went because it was

580
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.319
about to be a very long long time.

581
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.480
Oh, it sounds like they went. So we were invited

582
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:17.160
to a party with our Haunt friends at the Delaney House.

583
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:23.240
Sound familiar, which they own, So VICKI I'm assuming I

584
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.480
can't remember when Vicky said that they took ownership of

585
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.960
the house, so it was either Vicky or the previous owner.

586
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.319
No, they've had it. They've had it for longer than that.

587
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.599
I had known that she was inviting a tarot card

588
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:40.000
reader and a paranormal investigation team to her haunted house.

589
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:43.720
They start investigating outside of the house on the back porch,

590
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.839
the wrap around porch.

591
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.400
The wrap around porch. Why ev would they do that?

592
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.519
Because it's cool out there, nice and pretty.

593
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.440
I do love a wrap around porch.

594
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.720
They have a tablet with the Xbox Connect SLS camera

595
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.599
attached it, so they're getting figures like stick figures on

596
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.000
the screen, which is basically I was just about to say,

597
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:09.039
what an SLS camera, But it shows stick figures basically

598
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:13.319
like it tries to find a human shape, okay, and

599
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.279
then it makes it look like a stick figure.

600
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.599
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, that's exactly what I was picturing

601
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.680
when you say SLS camera. Yeah, I got confused when

602
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.039
they said something about Xbox and I was like, I

603
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:26.319
don't play video games.

604
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.079
Yeah, but it's not a video game. It's a ghost

605
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.079
catching machine. Okay, all right, good.

606
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.599
Because I was going to phone a friends I'm the

607
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.799
friend you phone for ghost in phone? Well, sure, but

608
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:41.039
for video game stuff. I was gonna oh, yes, yeah,

609
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.559
I was going to phone probably my husband.

610
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.599
Yeah, he would be the better knowledge man. Yes, m hm,

611
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.640
there was just one and it was on the back porch.

612
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.200
They found one stick figure on the back porch.

613
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.279
I wander where on the back porch I want to

614
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:02.279
wear those specifically, where in the wrap around was the figure.

615
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.599
Where As soon as he comes out, this stick figure

616
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:12.239
becomes a massive number of lines, just squiggly. Ah, and

617
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:16.639
it disappears. No, thank you, ooh, like a squiggly monster.

618
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.480
I don't know why that is creeping me out. Yeah.

619
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.800
At that point, my husband said, well, I know everybody

620
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:28.079
else always believed, but now I believe too. We go

621
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.920
to the Delaney house often, but now if there's ghost

622
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.800
hunting happening, Hubby doesn't come. Now he believes, and now

623
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:37.400
he's scared.

624
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:41.280
Okay, so actually he's maybe he's more like me than

625
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:41.760
we thought.

626
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:47.719
Okay. Yeah, it took him to see a stick figure

627
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.519
turn into a massive amount of squiggly lines. Yeah, I've

628
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.800
never seen that happen before. I've seen a lot of

629
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.679
ghost hunting footage. Yeah, and I'm not gonna lie to

630
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:03.920
you guys. I'm feeling suddenly like I need a potty break.

631
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:20.840
The last line says, Judy, Judy, your name inaer for yourself, Juy.

632
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:33.840
We are pulling a moon Oracle card for Judy in

633
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.599
her story because we like to do the Moon Oracle

634
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.760
just to switch it up so we're not always doing

635
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.440
taro for everything. And they're just generally very positive cards.

636
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:50.559
And I'm already sending Judy a mini tarot reading for

637
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:55.599
inviting us to the Haunted House and for sending us

638
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.320
a story. So you're gonna get some little extra stickers

639
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:02.800
and some things, because hello, we send out stickers for stories.

640
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:03.639
We bribe you.

641
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:04.480
Yeah, if you.

642
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.519
Didn't know that, I just like to send people things.

643
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:11.880
So honestly, I do have some stamps that I'm dying

644
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:16.000
to use. They're a little off season, but uh, you know,

645
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:17.320
you got some stories.

646
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.480
I still have the Manatee stamps. I really really like

647
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.159
to buy, like random, weird stamps. Sometimes I'll use a

648
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:26.079
stand a stamp in the middle of summer. You don't

649
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.199
know what you're gonna get with them, you really don't.

650
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:29.280
I just want want to.

651
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.760
Send I know we do.

652
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:37.440
We like to put stickers all over it. Yeah, you

653
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:45.480
can get our signatures. You can probably our identity, support

654
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:50.320
the USPS and the and H send us your stories

655
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.599
so we can support the USPS and use the stamps

656
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:55.519
to send you stickers.

657
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.000
We're doing our part, are you okay?

658
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.000
So I'm gonna put my mic so I can put

659
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.000
the cards to my chesticles my heart. Oh, and we're

660
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.000
gonna feel out a card together, me and Caitlyn. She's

661
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:13.440
gonna send me her energy to my fingertips.

662
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.000
There it is. It's an owl.

663
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.599
It's this soulful. We got a little fuzzy owl.

664
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:22.920
It's the cute tip.

665
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:24.519
It looks like a I don't know if it's a

666
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:27.079
baby owl, but it looks like a little baby fuzzy owl.

667
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.559
They look like a barbe bie.

668
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.159
And there's a it's interesting because it's nighttime. But there's

669
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:34.880
a bee.

670
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:36.880
Yeah, it does look like a.

671
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.360
Be a mosquito. I don't see who knows.

672
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:42.639
I feel like that looks like a bee.

673
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:47.960
Soulful. I feel like Judy is pretty soulful. I'm hung

674
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:49.920
out with her a little bit and she was very like,

675
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.159
you know, into character. I mean, you saw her in

676
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.400
character that I did. Yeah, that's pretty funny. So the

677
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:02.239
quote it says happiness for resides in possessions and not

678
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:06.159
in gold. Happiness dwells in the soul. I love that.

679
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.840
That's so sweet. I just feel like I feel like

680
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.280
I get that vibe from Judy. I don't know, maybe

681
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:15.400
she's not like that, Judy, you could tell us. I

682
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.079
don't know where that well, I met her for like,

683
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:20.280
you know, a couple minutes, but I feel like I

684
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:25.280
got that vibe feeling. Depth and journey are the keywords.

685
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:30.199
Your soul is the spiritual part of your being. Look

686
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.239
closely into the mirror of your innermost existence, and you

687
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:38.599
will find your deepest, rist most authentic thoughts and feelings.

688
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.639
Each memory. Oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

689
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:45.000
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa wo whoa whoa. Okay, I

690
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.280
was trying to focus on reading. Okay, okay, and then

691
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.039
I realized that look, for some reason, my eyes when

692
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.360
I read don't want to go where they're supposed to,

693
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.599
and sometimes they look all around the page, and that's

694
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.159
why I struggled. But I looked at the very top

695
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.880
of the page, and there's a fire, a flame, and

696
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.159
her house burnt down. Oh do you remember that? But

697
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.599
then it felt like it kind of in the thing.

698
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:11.119
I was like, Oh, she kind of just dropped this

699
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.480
in like casually in one sentence. But I'm sure you

700
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.800
know that's a huge life thing. Like it wasn't.

701
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.800
Casually, and it seemed like enormous.

702
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.239
It seemed like she took it just very well, like

703
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.840
rebuilt a new home and like just restarted. And same

704
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:31.039
with having you know, a bad difficult marriage. Yeah, you

705
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:31.400
just have.

706
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.719
To my god, either of those things is a lot journey.

707
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.000
Yeah, feeling depth the journey, like all of those things

708
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:45.039
were in her story for sure. Oh okay, I can't

709
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.320
even remember where I'm at because that just like for now,

710
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.199
each memory and experience that is part of your soul

711
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.400
is safely tucked away inside of you. Light the sparks

712
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.920
in your soul, be carefree, let your colors dance wildly

713
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.000
around you, dig deep in your garden, will flourish and

714
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:05.199
bloom endlessly.

715
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:06.840
That is so.

716
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:13.159
Your own soul journey is very personal. Protect your internal

717
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:17.199
soulful powers. You are the keeper of them. Remember, you

718
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.000
are a wondrous, soulful being who knows you best of all.

719
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.159
So it's saying you know you best of all?

720
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.559
Is that what I was saying, I mean that's kind

721
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:28.599
of oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you are the keeper of

722
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.880
your Yeah, that's so sweet. I definitely get yeah, I

723
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:34.800
get this whole vibe from her. I know I said that,

724
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.679
but it just all makes sense to me. There is

725
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.000
an intention at the.

726
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.000
Oh okay, well we gotta know.

727
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.519
Let your magical light glow around you. Soft stardust will

728
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:55.119
dance like fireflies in the wondrous twilight sky. Oh my gosh,

729
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:56.280
I'm so pretty.

730
00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:57.960
I love that.

731
00:40:58.280 --> 00:40:58.559
Gosh.

732
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:03.480
I really just like so curious about the bee. Yeah,

733
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:05.039
what did bees do at night?

734
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:05.320
Like?

735
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.119
Now I need to go on a whole rabbit hole

736
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.159
and like do bees? Are bees out at night? What's

737
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.199
the similism of bees? Judy? I'm like, does a bee

738
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.039
connect with you? I really want to know if a

739
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:18.559
beer and I'll connect with you and we'll post a

740
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:19.559
picture of the card.

741
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.639
Okay, so I could be totally crazy when me be

742
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:29.280
the first time? Are you know? But it says most

743
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:34.559
bees are inactive and remain in their hive to rest

744
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.800
and process collected nectar into honey, tend to the brood,

745
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:46.239
and perform hive maintenance tasks like cleaning and ventilation at

746
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:51.079
night time. Bees are I'm not sure that I'm going

747
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.679
to say this right, diurnal, meaning they are active during

748
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.079
the day and they use the night to recover from foraging,

749
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:03.039
ensuring a well fununctioning colony for the next day's activities.

750
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.920
Yeah, which is like opposite of an owl, which is nocturnal.

751
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:12.639
Yeah, So I kind of think that feels symbolic in

752
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.880
this case though, I'm just I'm just gonna give this

753
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:21.480
like totally my own life. It's been an interpretation on this,

754
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.079
but like if if you're like living on a farm

755
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.639
and you have, you know, this person that you are

756
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:34.519
partnered with, Like think about how Judy described her you know,

757
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:39.599
previous marriage and that partnership and what that must have

758
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:44.719
been like, particularly as someone who is trying to raise

759
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:50.360
children having a partner that like you are literally kind

760
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:54.000
of like you're you're like going through the motions. You

761
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:59.639
are a busy bee, Yeah, trying to hold it all together.

762
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:05.960
So like seeing kind of like those contrasting imagery in

763
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:11.920
terms of the animals and thinking about the what I

764
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.960
have to imagine our very start contrast in terms of

765
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:20.159
her relationship relationships. I can't speak for Judy, but like,

766
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.599
to me, it makes sense in a way that it's like,

767
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.360
it's these very disparate times in your life. Yeah, I'll

768
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.480
go out on a limb and say that, you know,

769
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:34.599
I have had at various points in my life times

770
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:41.239
where I have in various relationship dynamics. I have, you know,

771
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:45.679
been close to people that are dealing with active addiction.

772
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.440
And the way that you are moving through the world

773
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:54.079
and your everyday life is so different from how you

774
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.559
are moving when you are you know, interacting with people

775
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.239
that are living in you know, healthy way, and that

776
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:05.760
comes from not a place of you know, judgment, but

777
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:10.800
just these are the facts and you're just grappling with

778
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:16.320
something that is so big. Yeah, in those situations and.

779
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:20.440
It's like shrouded in darkness, Like it feels like very symbolic.

780
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:21.440
Dude.

781
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:27.119
Okay, I'm sorry, Taylor Swift. I'm so sorry, like not sorry.

782
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:33.280
Is this not the song Opal Light where this guy

783
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:38.880
was Onyx and then now it's Oval Light. I don't

784
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.519
know the exact lyrics, but yeah, I feel like Judy

785
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:44.719
is the Opal lighte Like she wanted she wanted to

786
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:48.679
be like the busy bee like during the daytime and

787
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:50.199
like had to make her own light.

788
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:55.719
And I think that what makes a lot of us

789
00:44:56.159 --> 00:45:00.519
have like a soulful vibe or gives us death as

790
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:07.480
people are the experiences that can be very dark and

791
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:12.480
for better or for worse, you know, those experiences I

792
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.719
think in a lot of cases allow us to have

793
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:17.960
empathy for other people.

794
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:22.400
Yeah. Oh and I kind of like I sort of

795
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.000
like I think I said it once the Nightmare Factory.

796
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:28.920
It's at the organ School of the Death. But Judy

797
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:33.199
no sign language, which I don't know, like any sign language.

798
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.320
So I'm like trying to communicate with people and we're

799
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.760
not speaking the same language. And Judy was just like

800
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:42.960
right there to translate. Yeah, and so I was just like,

801
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.119
oh my gosh it and in just like to do

802
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.639
sign language, like I feel like you have to feel it,

803
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.039
like you have to be soulful, like you can't. Yeah,

804
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:53.199
you have to like feel the what you're saying, I

805
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:56.400
think for it to come across right. I could be

806
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:57.280
totally wrong.

807
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:06.960
But honestly, the physicality of a language, particularly ASL is

808
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:11.760
I mean, I can't necessarily speak from experience, but I

809
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:18.159
mean just tremendous because you are expressing everything through these

810
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:25.719
literally non verbal you know, hand signals and it's interesting

811
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:31.079
to see how expressive, you know, people are when they

812
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:35.199
are signing. And I find that, like, I feel like

813
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.519
there are so many things that we all say day

814
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:41.119
to day that we just sort of it's like these

815
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:46.079
throwaway phrases, and I feel like, and you know, maybe

816
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:49.320
once you have been signing for years and years, there's

817
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.880
a certain amount of you know, las a fair that

818
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.679
just sort of happens over time. But I just feel

819
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.199
like what I perceive from the outside just this very

820
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:05.840
expressive of language because it is by virtue nonverbal in

821
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.719
the sense that it's not you know, it's not auditory verbal.

822
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.239
Yeah, it's beautiful to watch too, I was, it really is.

823
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:15.280
I just like to watch it in awe and like

824
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:17.760
try to absorb as much as I can. I'm not

825
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.760
like great at it, but it is interesting too because

826
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.119
at the end she was signing with someone who was

827
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.440
in a bowl mask, and like you could even see

828
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.760
even though they're wearing a mask, like you can tell

829
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:31.679
like they're expressing.

830
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:37.079
It's those expressions and things that like you pick up

831
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:38.280
on and even just.

832
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:40.199
In hand movements.

833
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.039
But it really is, it's so many little things, and

834
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:48.320
I think people don't realize and one thing that I

835
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:53.599
feel like, particularly actually researching for our show, that I

836
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.159
have picked up on at a level that is like

837
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.920
so much more intense and in depth than you know,

838
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:07.000
what I innately feel like I understood prior at least

839
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:11.719
was it's wild how much your body gives away, like

840
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:17.719
even people that are stone cold killers, like the amount

841
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:25.280
of nonverbal cues that you give away, Like and you

842
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:27.400
don't have to be an you don't have to be

843
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:32.719
a serial killer or anything like this happens in everyday communication.

844
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.760
People can realize that, like, oh, I'm picking up on

845
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.960
this person's uncomfortable or you know, I mean, it could

846
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:42.679
just be a little white lie, but people pick up

847
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:47.000
a certain brain. Yes, it very much is. I find

848
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.199
it so fascinating. I find it so fascinating.

849
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:51.559
Du do you have to listen?

850
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:51.639
No?

851
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:56.880
If any of that means anything too like, please immediately

852
00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.599
damn me on Instagram.

853
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.920
Lot to us, you have recording for almost two hours

854
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:07.760
to night and meant a.

855
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:14.920
Lot to us and have day see you'll see you

856
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:20.639
next Tuesday. Look you sees and let me see this here.

857
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:25.599
I am going to h what was it? Horror cinema?

858
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:30.119
Drive in ye do hikey this weekend. I'm so excited.

859
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.920
There will be photos. Stay tuned, keep tuned, just keep tuned,

860
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:36.320
creep tuned.

861
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:46.199
Oh, I like that creep tune. So am I am

862
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:50.840
I reading some of these or no? Oh, I just

863
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:51.639
I never don't.

864
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.440
Need you for this. I just you just sit over

865
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:54.800
there and.

866
00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:01.079
Sh okay. I just never know what we're doing, so

867
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:03.239
but I.

868
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:13.079
Never know what she's doing. The well, we don't have

869
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.679
any meat loaf today, unfortunately.

870
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:16.800
Nope.

871
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.440
I would not do anything for love, and I won't

872
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:24.440
do that famous meat loaf lyrics.

873
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.679
Yeah, but I won't do that.

874
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:33.800
What won't you do? I know what it is. It's