Oct. 28, 2025

Shrunken Heads & Shipwrecks: More of Marsh’s Free Museum

Shrunken Heads & Shipwrecks: More of Marsh’s Free Museum

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We’re kicking off Hallo-week with an extra creepy bonus for episode 204: The Bizarre Tale of Jake the Alligator Man. We’ll see you later this week for another all new spooky episode! 🎃
 
Back at Marsh’s Free Museum in Long Beach, Washington, we dive into more of the odd treasures this roadside attraction has to offer. We’ll also explore the history behind their most chilling artifact — an authentic tsantsa, or shrunken head. Once sacred symbols of power and protection, these relics have a dark history of fascination and exploitation. Turning ancient tribal rituals into grotesque souvenirs…
 
Finally, we’ll uncover the full story of the SS Admiral Benson shipwreck!
 
Strange artifacts, lost history, and coastal legends — it’s all waiting for you in this week’s deep dive into the weird and wonderful world of Marsh’s Free Museum.
 
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Hi, Caitlin, Hi, KESSI Hi. We're doing a bonus for

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you today and it is the long awaited bonus for

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the Jake the Alligator Man episode. Yeah, because I told

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you guys, I couldn't leave him alone. He's not really

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in this. We're going to talk about actually more of

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like the Marsh's Free Museum, and I know that you guys, well,

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Caitlin definitely had questions about the shipwreck. I don't know

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if you guys remember the shipwreck. So we'll get there, okay,

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and we'll talk about it a little bit more. We're

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going to talk about some of the other fun things

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besides Jake the Alligator Alligator Man, like find at Marsh's

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Free Museum in Long Beach, Washington, which fun fact, I

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don't know if you guys know Shay and Jody from

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Rainy Day Rabbit Holes, when they came to visit us,

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they stopped here and visited Jake the Alligator Man, and

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they got us stickers, which I forgot to pull mine out,

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but they gave us a little Jake the Alligator stickers.

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It's so sweet, and they took some pictures of some

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stuff for us. There is a replica, Okay, so we

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are going to start off talking about Jake, but then

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that's it. Okay, okay, So there is a replica of

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Jake that looks down from the roof like a gargoyle.

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I don't know if they got a picture of that.

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I'll have to look through them. But I thought that

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was so cute that he's just like up there a

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replica of him watching over the entrance the building. That

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just feels like a lot. But okay, I mean he

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is kind of their like main guy. He's like on

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you know, all their stickers and stuff.

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So yeah, yeah, no, he's he's the A team.

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Yeah exactly. They're not They're not coming for some of

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this other stuff, which maybe they should be. So it

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also has the world's largest collection of glass glass fishing balls,

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which I don't I don't know why. I thought that

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that was so interesting that you guys needed to know,

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but I did, and now you know, so you're welcome.

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Yeah, I mean I feel like I needed to know.

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Oh good, Okay, thank you. They also have someone named

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Mary Lou and Mary Lou is a complete human skeleton

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that was a She was apparently found in someone's closet

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in Aberdeen. No, thank you and I did try to

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look this up, but I couldn't find anything. But so

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I don't know. It could not be true, it could

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not be reported on, or maybe Caitlin could find it.

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I don't know. Okay, this is the funnest thing though,

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that I think that they have. And I begged Shane Jodi.

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I was like, oh my god, you guys are that

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I need a picture of this.

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I'm scared.

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It's the Wyoming werewolf. And this is quote a cleverly

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modeled deer butt.

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Okay, that didn't exactly go oh I expected.

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It's very strange and I was freaking in tears when

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I when I thought the picture this thing was captured

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December twelfth, nineteen seventy six, in Aten, Wyoming. Okay, how

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is that cleverly modified deer butt?

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Caitlin's modified. I don't know how clever I think it is.

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It's real ugly. It is not. It's not attractive. The eye,

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the eyestone, even the gum line, the tongue is orange.

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It's it's odd, but they basically made the butthole into

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a mouth. I have.

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I haven't won so many and absolutely zero questions, you

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know what I mean?

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Like I know exactly what you mean. Oh boy, yeah,

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that was my favorite I've ever seen in my life.

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That is that is a lot. It's a lot to

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take in, which I feel like, is what the deer was.

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That's what she said, you know.

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Yeah, Oh boy, what a werewolf? What a Wyoming werewolf?

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This was found in Wyoming.

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Yep Oka says the sign captured, not found captured. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay,

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we can we can move on from the the weird taxidermy.

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It's just like maybe some normal taxidermy. Oh already, so

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they have more the cat who was and still is

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their shop cat when he sadly passed away, they had

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him tax taxi dermid and I don't know what that's called,

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but we're gonna go with Taxi dermid. Yeah, so that

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they could keep their beloved pet in the store's collection.

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I don't know how I feel about that, lay.

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I did think about that for my cat, but it

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would be really creepy. Yeah I think it was. Yeah,

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but in this environment where you already have a bunch

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of tax dirmy, you see it every day. You're used

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to this cat being there every day, and then all

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of a sudden it's not I feel like that's something

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that's like the rare situation where maybe it's not so creepy.

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Yeah, just another Tuesday, I guess.

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Just another Tuesday at Marsha's Free Museum can pay all

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these wonderful creatures. You can also apparently visit an authentic

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shrunken head from the Hebrew people in the Amazon Rainforest

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of South America. It's apparently authentic, but we're we're gonna go.

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I had to. I had to you, guys, I was

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so interested in this shrunken head deal, Like are these

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things actually authentic? Are they real? Are they are? Like Jake, like,

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what are these things? So I I fell down that

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rabbit hole and I felt I fell in deep and

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you guys have to go with it. And how I'm

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gonna drag you down there with me, and we're gonna

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learn all about how shrunken heads are made together and

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it's gonna be Okay, we're gonna get through it together. Okay,

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I need water first.

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Though, Okay, great, we're.

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Gonna we're gonna listen and we're not gonna judge. Okay,

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this is what we're doing.

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So.

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The Hebrew people in the Amazon Rainforest consists of four

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tribes the show are at you are Hua Misa, Hua Misa,

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I love that and a guaruna a guaruna. I wrote

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them all out. I really tried.

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Yeah you got it hooked on phonics, baby.

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And they're like, they're beautiful words. They're really cool to say,

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So yeah, I think they are. We're listening and we're

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not judging these beautiful Amazonian rainforest tribes, right, Okay, Okay,

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this is their culture, not yet, this was their culture,

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this is their history. So that's that's the angle that

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we're coming at this with. Okay, Okay. The shrunken heads

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are called sansas and they're spelled like ts a n TSAs,

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but it's pronounced sansas, kind of like Game of Throne sansa.

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Yes, yes, that's exactly what I was thinking.

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Yeah, this obviously seems very morbid and grotesque to us

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now than it is, but to them, you know, we

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kind of already talked about it. This was their tribal practice.

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It had great symbolic and spiritual meaning to them, so

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they don't do it anymore. They'll just start there.

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Okay, are you gonna tell us about what exactly they

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were doing?

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Yeah? Yeah, I'm going to okay, and it's going to be.

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It's gonna be okay. So they were worn around their

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waist as trophies. They believe that by shrinking the head,

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they would acquire the soul of that person and that

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would give them power and protection like in battle, oh

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my gosh, as many of as humans. The Hebro people

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fought over land resources, hunting grounds, and I'm sure many

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other things, like a beautiful woman like it could have

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been anything, you know. Yeah, okay, So trigger warning. I'm

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going to describe the process of shrinking the heads, but

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as gently as possible, okay, And just keep in mind

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that this was ceremonial and we still don't really actually

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know everything that went on in the process. There's some

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mystery about it because it's not you know. Okay. So

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after unaliving an enemy, they would remove the head from

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the body. Then they removed the skin from the skull,

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and then the skull was discarded. It was used as

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an offering to their spirit helpers. So they then have

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the skin, right, and they would sew the eyes shut

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and then to actually shrink it, it would be simmered

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for one to two hours, and this kind of made

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the skin darker. It gave it more of a rubbery texture,

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and then it was filled with hot stones and sand

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to further shape and preserve it. That's the end. That's it.

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I told you gently fast. Where I didn't there was

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a lot of other details. I didn't need to go

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into the details. I just wanted the basics of kind

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of how it was done.

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Yeah.

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So cut to the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries where sand,

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it says, captivated European explorers who would take them home

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as souvenirs. So who's the gross ones The people who

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are doing it for ceremonial practices it's part of their culture.

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Or the people who are like, oh, this is a

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shrunken head from another human being. I'm gonna take it

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home and put it on my mantle for decoration.

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I'm gonna be honest. I definitely think it's all it's

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all a little gross. Yeah, definitely, the you know colonist

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people that are coming in, the colonizers, Yeah, coming in

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and taking them as like a souvenir.

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That's uh So it's layers of gross, icky and it

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gets it just makes everything like like we do, it

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just made everything so much worse. Okay, they eventually became

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highly sought after naturally increasing demand. You maybe can see

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where this is going. This led to an increase in

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head hunting parties for not only humans, but also animals

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like sloss and monkeys.

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Why are we the worst?

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Yeah? And I was like, is this where like the

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term ahead hunting comes from. Oh? I didn't really look

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it up because I just I just kind of like

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was a passing thought in my mind. But I was like, oh,

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like that's.

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A literal thing, you know. I think, I think, I

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just I think, you know, I think I want off

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this planet. I don't. I don't like it here. It's

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not for me.

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Yeah, And it's really sad because then they started I mean,

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it's sad when you kill humans, but then they start

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killing like sloss and monkeys because they're like, yeah cute,

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well faces are very similar to ours.

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So no, I hate that.

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But so that they would they would do these Obviously

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this is not ceremonial, This is not part of an

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ancient practice. This is now selling counterfeit heads right, no,

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tourists and collectors.

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This is what happens when capitalism meets other culture.

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Yeah. Yeah, like literally quite literally, it's so gross.

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It's really Ichy.

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But finally, in the nineteen thirties, the Ecuadorian and Peruvian

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governments outlawed the trafficking of shrunken heads, so it's no

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longer legal.

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Okay, well that took a lot longer than I'm comfortable with.

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Yeah, the nineteen thirties, you guys. Yeah, so I don't know.

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It's possible that they have an older, real shrunken head.

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It's possible they have a counterfeit one that was headhunted.

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It's possible. I mean, who knows, I don't know. They

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they do. They do claim that it is authentic, so

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that's just I'm gonna go with that. That's what they

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say at their store. But who knows.

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Mm hmm.

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Okay, we're moving on.

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That wasn't so.

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Bad, right, Okay, But it's it's it's so interesting that

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you go into these places and look at because we've

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seen we've seen trunk and heads before. Who I don't

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know if they were authentic either or not, but it's like, oh, yeah,

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another trunk like you like. But now when you know

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all of this that goes into it, and like where

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because only these four like specific tribes did this is

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from what I read anyway. So you're just like, I don't.

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It's very interesting. It is.

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It is.

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Uh, I can confirm it is giving me the ick. Yeah, uh,

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but it's it is really interesting.

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But it also reminds you Beetlejuice. And I didn't even

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to have Beetle just colors back there. It just happened

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because you do know where he has the shrunken head guy. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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so we've come to the Admiral Benson, the s s

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Admiral Benson.

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Shipwreck, never forget a shipwreck, speaking of the one shipwreck

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we will never ever forget. I wore a theme shirt.

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I wore my theme shirt for you guys, because if

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you will listen to the episode, we talked about how

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the Benson we was the hotel that we said was

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the Titanic, and then there was a ship ship.

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It all connects.

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This was the whole thing. Yeah, it's all connects. Keep up, people,

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So you're welcome.

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So your question was did the shipwreck stay there or

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did they get it removed? And I did not actually

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really know the answer to that question. I did say

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I think it broke up and then like went away.

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I don't think you're like, yeah, I was like, yeah,

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I don't really know. I don't and that's fair. This

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episode was about Jake the alligator man. This shipwreck was

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like bonus content, like this is like.

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A passer by, you know, like ships in the night,

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if you will.

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But then I was like, well, why don't I just

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look it up and tell you guys? So here we are.

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So we're going to talk about the shipwreck, not the Titanic,

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the Admirals Admiral Benson tripwreck.

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Okay, like I'll take it.

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Leo unfortunately or fortunately, well probably unfortunately wasn't on this

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boat because he would have survived if he was on

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the shipwreck. Yeah, yeah, because we did talk about that.

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There were no casualties, so.

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Yeah, that's right. No floating doors.

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I mean, I'm not saying there wasn't floating doors, but

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no one died on them, okay, all right, or off

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of them. No one was pushed into the icy cold.

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Water, into the icy blue depths.

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Are you ready?

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Oh?

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Never, let go? She's not ready yet. Do you need

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another second?

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Do you need I'm good.

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Do you need to finish your reenactment?

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Listen? You can't bring up the Titanic and expect me

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to behave like an adult. Okay, it's tenuous and best. Anyways,

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was it?

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There was like a reel or something I saw recently

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that was like turtles or something like reenacting the the

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Door scene and the Titanic. I'm like having a I

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don't know if this is real. This could be a

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fever dream.

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I don't know either way, I want it.

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But it was like turtles or something like fighting over

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a log and like one of them pushed the other. Yeah, anyway,

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this is not.

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About turtles, Okay, I mean, I guess I'm still interested.

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February fifteenth, nineteen thirty. So like kind of around the

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time that they were outlawing the shrunken Heads.

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Yeah, so it all comes down.

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It all rolls around, the.

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It all rolls around all.

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The day after Valentine's Day, February fifteenth, nineteen thirty, the

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SS Admiral Benson was headed to Portland from San Francisco.

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The weather and the seas were relatively calm, but there

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was a heavy, dense fog at the entrance to the

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Columbia River. Ohboy, and at six forty pm, the SS

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Admiral Benson ran aground on the south end of Peacocks

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spit a quarter mile west of the North Jetty. I

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don't know what any of that means, but that's the info.

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I don't know. You guys can google if you want

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to know where it's at, you know.

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Like nautical shit. Yeah, I don't know. I like the

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peacocks spit though, Yeah, I was like, oh boy, I

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didn't realize that that they did that. I thought that

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was like kind of more exclusive to camels.

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I don't know, let's ask a peacock if they spit

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or swallow. You know, we've done that before, that song,

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that Katie Perry's song. We've talked about peacocks before. Man,

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it's not the first time.

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I you know, I like to say I'm surprised, but

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obviously I'm not.

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So it did run aground, It wasn't like a wreck.

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It was a pretty gentle wreck, like nothing crazy happened,

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and the Admiral Benson was not damaged or in immediate danger.

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So okay, so this is more like I literally ran

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out of gas and I just slowly like let myself

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off onto the shoulder.

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Kind of yeah. Yeah, yeah, kind of like that ran aground. Yeah,

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that's a good way to put it. Captain Charles C.

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Graham radioed the Coastguard for assistance, but doesn't send any

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distress signal because it was not really in distress. Yeah.

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Oh okay, I mean okay, yeah, all right.

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On February sixteenth, so the next day, the Coast Guard

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removed thirty four passengers and all non essential crew members,

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and at high tide, Captain Graham attempted to refloat the vessel.

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The vessel I like to see the ship. I don't know.

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I don't want to see the vessel the ship, but

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she did remain stuck. He wasn't able to get her free. Well,

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maybe should have stopped colinder of vessel. Yeah, talk nice

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to her, rubber nice maybe you know. Yeah, this is

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a quote direct from the article, because well you'll just see,

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okay quote. Several boats, including the powerful Canadian seagoing tug

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Salvage King, stood by to attempt to pull the Admiral

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Benson out end question. Oh but it didn't work. Not

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even the powerful Canadian seagoing tug Salvage King could free

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the Admiral Benson.

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What should we do?

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Well, i'll tell you. On February seventeenth, the weather starts

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to look bad. So maybe there is a little bit

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more pressing danger. Okay, So the coast Guard removed the

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five remaining passengers in most of the remaining crew, so

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only like the captain and very essential crew members were

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on board. At noon, a decision was made to abandon

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all efforts to pull the Admiral Benson off the Peacock's

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fit until the storm passed. So obviously, like storming, they

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can't really try to save it.

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Yeah, I mean, not a great time.

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Yeah, but Captain Graham flooded all of the cargo to

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try to keep the ship from like pounding against the

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sand bar. So they tried to like weigh it down.

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I guess, okay, I guess that's what that means.

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Yeah, yeah, No, I mean I think I see the logic.

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Yeah, it's like it's not gonna sink because it's stuck

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on a sandbar. So they're trying to like just make

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it so it's not like beating wildly around and like

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the waves and the winds.

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I still I don't I don't know, not a not

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a coal expert, but I'm not sure that I love

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that with passengers aboard.

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Well, they've all been off board. All the passengers are gone,

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at this point just yeah, some of the crew members.

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Well that's what I'm saying. Okay, there's still human people

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on the ship.

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But if they I don't know, if they agreed to

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be there, if they were forced, I have no idea.

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I don't know.

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But on February eighteenth, so the next day the storm

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got worse and than the last of the crew members

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were removed. So, like any true captain, Captain Graham decided

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he was going to stay on board until there was

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absolutely no hope of saving the ship. So he's really

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going to stick it out until the end.

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Yeah. I mean they always say, like, you know, the

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captain goes down with the ship, right, which I hope

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he doesn't because that would be a really stupid thing

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to die for.

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That would be not the way to go down almost

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stuck ship. It's not like it's in danger, right, Like you.

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Do that because you're there to man the ship and

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try to protect the passengers.

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He just like he lives there now. He's like, okay,

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I'm living here now, I'm going down with the ship

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no matter how long it takes.

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Yeah, zero dollars rent you guys.

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He's out there in like a Hawaiian shirt.

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Hell yeah, anyway, he works remotely, you know.

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So the storm just kept getting worse over the next

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several days, and Captain Graham reported that the ship was

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starting to break up. It's just not good. And the

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weirdest thing happened. I was sitting here typing this, listening

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to a little you know, Spotify, and as I'm typing

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like this sentence, Selena Gomez comes on and is singing,

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And as I'm literally typing break up, she is singing,

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call me when you break up as I'm typing break up.

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How fucking weird is that? This just happened when I

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was fixing up my notes. While isn't that weird?

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That's crazy.

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I just have to bring those up whenever it happens

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because it's so interesting to me. So the Admiral Benson

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actually made it through the storm with little damage. Surprisingly,

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that's so crazy. But it did push the ship further

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into the peacock'spith. Now, I mean, now we kind of

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already know how this ends boiler alert. This made it

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impossible to ever free the Admiral Benson on a Sunday,

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February twenty third, So this happened on the fifteenth, So

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it's now the twenty third. Captain Graham finally abandons ship

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and his wife.

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Is so freaking pissed.

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She's like, she's like, come on, the.

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Twins have colic, and I could really use some help

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around here.

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She's got a baby on her hip. She's she's got

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tip for some reason. The other one was on the ground.

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I pictured it was on the ground like holding it

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was holding onto her leg, and one was on her

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hip and she's flipping off the boat. He's like, I

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live here now, this makes more sense why he stayed

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or it?

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All the twins Colic is rough.

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I'd stay on the boat too. You should, especially if

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there's no immediate dangerous like for vacation.

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Man, I mean, you'd be an asshole husband. But yeah,

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I also at the same time would be like, eh,

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I could see it.

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There was a hearing after this, and Captain Graham testified

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that it was only his second trip to Portland and

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he did not have the experience to be able to

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successfully navigate navigate, Navigate Kate, the navigate Lynn, the Admiral Benson.

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He did, he didn't. He didn't have it, you guys.

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He couldn't navigate the Admiral Benson across the Columbia River

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bar under the severe foggy conditions, and I wrote severed,

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but I meant to write severe foggy conditions. He gave

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no excuses for it other than misjudgment of the strong

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ocean currents carried him a little off course. There was

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heavy fog, he couldn't see well. So yeah, I mean, Aaron,

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I've had a sore throat for a month and a half.

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He gave no excuses other than all of this stuff.

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Now, I mean, I feel like that's you know, it

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sounds like kind of in a way, it's like and

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we're saying that jokingly, like it does kind of sound like, oh,

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he gave no excuses except but it's like that's really

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important context because in his position, you know, I mean,

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you could be criminally charged, right, even if nobody was

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necessarily physically harmed, Like that could be you know, gross

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negligence or something. So I feel like that's fair, Like, hey, listen,

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this is totally my bad, but just so you know,

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these were kind of extraordinary circumstances.

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Like I wasn't drunk basically, right, yeah, right.

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Listen, I didn't stick the landing like solely.

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But no, not at all. I mean maybe boats are

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harder to fly than plants, and we're just gonna leave

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that where it landed and keep going. We're gonna leave

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it where it landed, just like the SS Admiral Beinson.

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Oh god, yeah, no, we'll just use golf rules, you know,

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just you got to play it as it lies.

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Captain C. C. Graham he pleaded guilty to the charge

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of negligence and his master Mariner license was suspended for

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six months. That's rough. Yeah, I mean I guess if

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it probably wasn't a paid suspension, I don't know. I mean,

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because he just got his license taken away. So yeah,

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like he can't work or you know.

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He can do some stuff off the books, and I

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would imagine.

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He's got the twins at home.

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So yeah, yeah, you got to keep those mouths fed.

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So now we're going to find out what happened to

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the boat, because this was like kind of your question.

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It took me kind of forever to get here, but

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now we're going to answer your question. Finally, real.

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History, I know.

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And then this this long ass thing I'm about to say,

464
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:07.319
the Association of Mariner Insurance Underwriters. They those guys sent

465
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.920
salvagers to protect the ship from being pillaged.

466
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:13.079
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

467
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.440
After the storm, a salvage crew went in and they

468
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:25.279
used gondolas to like like a rigging pulley system of gondolas,

469
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.799
oh my gosh, to remove all the usable cargo that

470
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:29.880
was left over in the ship.

471
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.720
They were like, we're taking it, yeah, getting it.

472
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.119
They didn't want to leave all that money just because

473
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:36.799
then other people were just going to take it, so

474
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:38.720
they wanted to take anything they could out. But it

475
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.359
took them like two weeks to do it because they

476
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:44.039
were using fucking gondolas.

477
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.559
Oh my god. Yeah, dude, that is wild.

478
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.319
And they had to like protect the ship that whole

479
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.440
time too, so other people wouldn't take this stuff. I

480
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:54.519
think that's kind of crazy.

481
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:54.880
God.

482
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.279
No, the nineteen thirties of it.

483
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.640
All, Oh yeah, and I could still I can see

484
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.039
all these people like standing on the beach too, just

485
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.759
like watching all of this happen, watching the gondola ride,

486
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:11.599
Like that's why the burger stand did so good if

487
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:12.240
we remember.

488
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.960
No, honestly, this reminds me of oh my gosh, what

489
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.680
was it? Was it? Treasure Cove? I think I covered

490
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:24.440
for prohibition Drid.

491
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:26.799
Yeah, is that the right I don't know if.

492
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:28.519
That's the right name, but I know you mean.

493
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:29.359
Yeah.

494
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:32.119
But all of the people on the beach, they were like,

495
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:37.319
oh shit, a ship coming from Canada just crashed. Oh interesting,

496
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.240
I wonder what they had aboard. I guess I should

497
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.759
go and check it out.

498
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:42.920
That's the party ship.

499
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:49.519
A party ship crash, go go go go.

500
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:54.319
So over time, once they got all of the stuff,

501
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:57.200
the usable stuff out of the ship, they just obviously

502
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.599
scavengers got to it and they just like removed anything

503
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.799
and everything. They stripped it of anything usable, and then

504
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.480
it took years for the ship to break up, and

505
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.000
then some of the wreckage is actually still visible at

506
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.119
extreme low tide. Shut the fuck up. So I was

507
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.359
kind of right. I thought it just broken up, and yeah,

508
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.000
they just had to leave it there. They literally couldn't

509
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.799
get it out. I mean we talked about it. The

510
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:30.079
Canadian strong Man, yes man, you know, the guy salvage

511
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:31.440
ship couldn't get it out.

512
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.279
The Canadian sexy Bear.

513
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:42.880
The Canadian sexy Bear ship could not get it.

514
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.319
The Canadian browny man and his pet bear.

515
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.000
I don't even want to go look at the original

516
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.160
quote because I think we nailed it.

517
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.599
No, we crushed it obviously, So wasn't that.

518
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.839
We're all of that to answer your question at the

519
00:30:55.960 --> 00:31:01.039
very end, And yeah, I thought, I just think this

520
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.319
shit's so interesting.

521
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:07.839
No, because like I feel like just knowing that it

522
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:12.319
kind of eventually disintegrated, like that's okay, Yeah, that's like

523
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:15.640
that's one part of the story. It's like one little

524
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:16.319
piece of it.

525
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:20.160
Yeah, that was so oh and it does remind me

526
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.000
too of like the there's like shipwreck Beach where there's

527
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:26.759
still like a shipwreck on the little old beach that

528
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.000
you can go visit and like walk around by the shipwreck.

529
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.519
So it's kind of like that I want to go

530
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.559
to there. We should we should go here. We should

531
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.799
go visit Jake the Alligator Man and see the bit.

532
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.000
You know you want to stand inside that big pan,

533
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.839
you know you do. Remember you're gonna marry Jake the

534
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:44.519
Alligator Man.

535
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:50.279
No, No, I'm already married. And wait, isn't his birthday celebration?

536
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:55.640
That's my wedding day. Literally, Okay, so I'm already married,

537
00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:58.599
but not to him out unfortunately.

538
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.039
Well, I feel like we should pull a card. I

539
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:07.240
got my little cabinetarium cabinetorium, cabinet weirdo of them, Yeah,

540
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:12.519
cabinetarian nonums. Okay, send me your vibes, your shipwreck vibes.

541
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:20.839
You're werewolf, wyoming, drunken. Let go titanic vibes, vibes. I'm

542
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.759
gonna spread these out and pick one. We're gonna feel

543
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:27.680
it out. I won't leave my mouth open while I

544
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:28.039
do this.

545
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.519
You guys, yeah, you want to see what we got?

546
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:37.759
Do you want to see Charlotte?

547
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:40.839
We got Morris the Cats.

548
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.720
Oh cute.

549
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:51.359
We talked about a kiddy. Indeed, it's spades. It's the

550
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:56.720
Jack of spades. Some I don't know what the Jack

551
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.400
of Spades is in, so we're gonna just quickly google it.

552
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:00.960
Unless Kate already doing it.

553
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:07.240
I'm already doing it. Spades in playing cards corresponds to

554
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:11.519
the suit of sword, while jackson playing cards don't have

555
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:17.359
a direct equivalent in tarro, they are often interpreted representing

556
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.680
both pages and night. This says the Jack of spades

557
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:26.680
being specifically associated with a night of swords. Oh, okay,

558
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:35.000
night of swords. Our keywords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience,

559
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:39.920
single mindedness, and insensitivity.

560
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:43.200
This is sort of screaming captain to me, like all

561
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.960
of it, even the insensitivity with what you were.

562
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:47.839
Saying, single mindedness.

563
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.599
Yeah, but like filling filling the rooms with water, and

564
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.720
you were like, but there's still people on board.

565
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.359
Knights often symbolize messages or travel.

566
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:04.240
Travel We don't, oh before I forget the like battling.

567
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.079
So this is like the shrunken heads the swords, and

568
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.840
the cat does like kind of look like it's holding

569
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:14.159
like you're gonna like this ahead then I don't know

570
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.800
if you can see it looks like a little.

571
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.760
Bit yeah, I mean it's a spade head. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

572
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:20.519
Interesting.

573
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.920
Knights often symbolize messages or travel. Some decks, including the

574
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:29.599
writer Waite Smith Tarot show this night rushing hell bent

575
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.719
toward an adversary or adventure.

576
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:36.599
Oh okay yeah, or you could be rushing hell bent

577
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.880
towards a sandbar.

578
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.280
I mean you know that's an adversary.

579
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.039
Yeah, I really is a.

580
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.679
Formidable one at that. In the Aquarian Tarot, however, he

581
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:56.119
shoulders his sword contemplating his next move. If he represents

582
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.840
a person, you know, he may be someone who's overly

583
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:05.320
aggressive or argumentative, who lives in attack mode, or he

584
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:09.960
might be a spiritual warrior, one who uses his intellect

585
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.360
to examine and purify himself.

586
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.639
Interesting. That is all like interesting, and I'm not sure

587
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.519
if I have the words to connect it, but there's

588
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.159
some sort of connection there, you guys, you tell us.

589
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:25.840
The upright night may suggest you're passionate about your ideas

590
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.079
and believe wholeheartedly in the rightness of your objective.

591
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:31.480
Going down with the ship.

592
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.719
Yeah. If this card represents an actual person, he's probably

593
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.480
a young man who expresses his ideas enthusiastically and may

594
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.239
have trouble understanding others' viewpoints.

595
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.960
He was a new captain too, so hmm.

596
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.719
Oh, he has a quick mind and keen intellect, but

597
00:35:53.920 --> 00:36:00.519
may lack true wisdom. Get you see Graham times. This

598
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.400
night symbolizes an urgent message or an unexpected trip.

599
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:07.880
Yeah.

600
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:13.079
That is so unexpected trip and unexpected D two D

601
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.679
yeah yeah, yeah, Well he did have an unexpected trip

602
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:19.000
because he was on his way to Portland, but when

603
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.119
he got to Portland he had a hearing instead of

604
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:22.519
just like unloading his ship.

605
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:27.320
Yeah. Interesting, Okay, so I think this has a tie

606
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.960
in to kind of the first half of what we

607
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:33.800
were talking about. So there's an extra excerpt in between

608
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:43.840
in the interpretation here so on our modern day athletic

609
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.239
teams have their roots in the medieval period, when knights

610
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:53.880
served the royalty and noble houses. Our allegiance to particular teams,

611
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.039
often connected to the schools we attended or the places

612
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:02.920
where we live, recalls our ancestorsdelity to the tribes, fiefdoms,

613
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:07.480
or countries to which they belonged. Even the penance waived

614
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.079
at sporting events harkened back to days of old when

615
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.760
soldiers carried banners into battle to indicate the side for

616
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:15.360
which they.

617
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.840
Fought whoa like more trophies.

618
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:20.960
Banner is kind of on the front end of war,

619
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.320
and the you know, the trophies are kind of on

620
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:23.960
the back end.

621
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.480
But yeah, I mean, I'm sure they have their their

622
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:31.039
tribal like banners and stuff, like they're yeah, right, But

623
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:34.519
I mean it's it's like the overarching principle of like

624
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:35.960
everybody has sort of.

625
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:40.119
Their own customs when it comes to everything in life,

626
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.599
including war. In a reading about money, you may need

627
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:47.599
to act quickly in a financial matter with some gonds

628
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:55.440
two weeks, but don't neglect to study the situation before

629
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.960
making a decision. The upright. Night may point to a

630
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:03.559
trip for financial reasons, or a message about money. Sometimes

631
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.960
he heralds a change in your resources, like I don't know,

632
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.840
maybe a few unplanned months of unpaid leave.

633
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:14.400
Yeah, yeah, which I feel like it's too bad because

634
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:19.119
I feel like, you know, so much can happen in

635
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.800
terms of you know, seafaring conditions and the weather.

636
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.000
That's it's a lot to put on, you know.

637
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:26.519
But he did.

638
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.559
We did learn that he did work. He just wasn't

639
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.800
able to drive the boat. He just didn't have his

640
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.960
boat insense. But he did work, like at the marina

641
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.239
or whatever they said. I can't remember. Yeah, oh my gord.

642
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.599
If the reading is about your job, this can represent

643
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:47.400
a business trip. Sometimes it means a job change or

644
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.079
a shift in work related responsibilities.

645
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:50.679
Weird.

646
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.239
The night may also caution you to hold your tongue

647
00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.199
and bide your time. Diplomacy is important now, I mean he.

648
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:01.480
Definitely bided his time.

649
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:03.360
Yep, yep.

650
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:07.239
How many days? Fifteenth, fifteenth to the twenty third?

651
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:11.199
Like, well, I'm thinking more in the aftermath for.

652
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.280
Sure, over a week? Yeah that is true. Yep, yeah,

653
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.719
hold your tongue. Nothing else happened.

654
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:19.880
I think of it. More as like, you know, he

655
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:24.199
kind of approached it from a position of like really

656
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.440
taking ownership, but also like and also being it seems like,

657
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:32.119
from all indications, very respectful. So it was very much

658
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.719
like diplomacy for sure.

659
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.639
Yeah, we just you know, I want to juice your history.

660
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:41.559
This is why, you know, historical things are in movies

661
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:48.079
are often by historical things are often more spicy.

662
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.199
It all this bus that bad Billio?

663
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.599
How crazy do my eyes get? When there's like a connection.

664
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.800
In a reading about love, the night may point to

665
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.719
a new affair or a change in an existing relationship

666
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.320
that brings more freedom, excitement, and openness. It can also

667
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.920
recommend being more flexible and tolerant.

668
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:21.400
Maybe because his wife with the twins at home, had

669
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:25.039
to share the fabrication that we made, the space that

670
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:25.960
we added.

671
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:29.360
The completely fictional backstory that we have invented.

672
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:33.960
I'm so sorry. C. C. Graham wherever you are, Rip,

673
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.800
I assume I'm yeah.

674
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.199
I'm going to say, yeah, we're just having fun here.

675
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.719
We're yes ding yeah, no, we really are. Yeah, it's

676
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.679
a hearty yes, I am for sure.

677
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:48.039
Well should we go?

678
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:49.239
Yeah we should do it?

679
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.239
Have a creepy as day. Oh my God, what the fuck?

680
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:55.639
Last time you said it, you said it was too slow.

681
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:59.280
I said it like normal, and you went like.

682
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:09.719
Oh, cree upstand yo, I thought we were saying goodbye.

683
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.679
We I mean we were, and then you ave a

684
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.800
mariad up in this bitch.

685
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.679
Should we do it togain or was that sufficient enough?

686
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.440
I'm sure it was fine, Okay, perfect.

687
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.360
Okay, bye bye.

688
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:31.920
We listen and we don't judge.

689
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:34.000
I can do one