Portland’s Titanic Exhibit: A Haunting Tragedy

0:03 This is a quote from Jim, the marketing director of the museum. Okay, the irony of any Titanic exhibit flooding is strange enough, but the fact that our flooded on the exact anniversary of the Titanic sinking is more ironic. It's almost paranormal, they even think. But that's a little tool. And the interesting thing is this is not the only time it's flooded. Hi, Caitlin, Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people, helly.

0:44 This is PNW Hanson Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest or the p and W Nicety and we also do a terror reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic that we do. And if you hear some wrestling around in the background, it's just a baby dog. It's just a baby dog. It's just my baby, baby baby dog. So don't mind. Shototte. Hopefully that's not a trademarked song. Yeah, I can't imagine it is, but it's your interpretation of it, so that's fine. It's true. It's true. We didn't play the clip or yes, exactly, I think that's permissible.

1:27 It's a cover. Yeah, and it's such a short clip too, Like I said earlier, No, I don't want to say it sue me. Yeah, don't don't. It has no money. Yeah, well, I don't think we have anything to talk about at the beginning. Let's just it's just a PLoP right into it. Flap is correct. I feel like that's that's like if if we created a mood bar for today's mood, PLoP would be PLoP would be yeah, applop for it.

2:10 Yeah, it just feels right, you know, Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Okay, So I can't remember if I told you about this, but I've been kind of not talking about it on purpose because I wanted to do an episode on it. Oh. So I went to the Titanic Artifact exhibit at Amzi. You did tell me you were going to go. You haven't told me anything about it exactly. I don't even think did I send you any pictures or anything? No? I don't think. So okay, because like while I was there, I was like, I'm going to do an episode. I'll find a way. I'll do an episode this way to relate it to the P and W and spooky shit, and you know what here it is, this is what we're doing.

2:52 If it were the first time we talked about the Titanic. But it's not. It's not. You know, it's not. We haven't done an episode up sold on it though, right now? Okay, No, did you do a true crime episode about it? Yeah? It was like a crossover. It was like a rewatch slash true crime podcast because I basically just talked about how Billy Zane's character is, like, oh, right, criminal. He's kind of a dick, but yeah, it's okay, he's the great person I think. I actually don't know. Don't quote me on that. Yeah, I'm not. I'm really not willing to go out there on a limb for a.

3:34 Maid, right, yeah, a Hollywood man. We just don't know these days. Yeah, so I'll show you the first picture. Oh guess who I went with? By the way, everybody guess your main I went with my mom, with my mom. But here's a picture of me on the day, Oh my god, in front of a picture of the classic Grand Staircase in my h Leonardo DiCaprio shirt. Yeah. I need to get some quotes, you know, because what I want is to have that staircase just installed somewhere here. Yeah, yes, I mean I told your husband to pick up a thousand pounds of lumber at home Depot. So yeah, Lows or wherever the fuck he was going home Depot?

4:19 Like who got to Low though? I don't know. I guess you go when Low's is closer or home Depot is out of the thing that you wanted. Why are they always in the same parking lot. They pretty much are the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my whole life. They're so close together. I don't understand. Anyway, this is not about maybe we should do an episode on Home Depot and Lows, but not today, not today, not today. So in case you guys don't know what AMSY is if you're not from Oregon or the PNW, because I feel like most people in the PNW know what it is. But yeah, it stands for the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry. Oh so they have, you know, tons of science y things there, but they have like different exhibits that roll through aditionally.

5:09 They also have that what's that thing called with that you could see the stars? Oh, like planetarium. Yeah, they have a sanitarium and I want to go there so badly. That sounds really cool. Lived here my whole life had never been to the planetarium. I don't think i've been either. We need to go pot trip, just saying. Their website says about the Titanic Artifact Exhibit, this immersive exhibition offers a rare opportunity for audiences of all ages to explore the innovation, ambition, and tragedy of Titanic while connecting personally with the people whose lives were forever changed by her. Voyage goes on to say, step back to April nineteen twelve and assume the role of a passenger on the ship's first and final journey. With more than one hundred authentic artifacts recovered from the rex set, guests are immersed in life on board the Titanic and the deeply human stories behind one of history's most enduring legends.

6:11 They were not wrong. All of that is correct, Yes, Okay, super accurate. WHOA. So they did have a ton of artifacts that it was like, I'll talk about it a little bit later, but it was just so so eerie to see, just like the water damage of all of the things. It's crazy. Yeah. So when we checked in, they gave us a boarding pass ah to the Titanic the White Star Line. Oh my god, it's so cool. But even cooler than this is on the back they gave you like information about a certain passenger, So they gave you a specific passenger and all of their information.

7:00 Shot the actual Hell uh yep. Wow. So my passenger was mister Paul Edwin Andresen, oh twenty from Sweden. And it gives you, like the if they were accompanied by anyone, It gives you like all their passenger friends or relations. Yeah. And then it tells you what class they were in. I was in third class. Oh buma. My mom was in first. I feel like she uh, she took both the tickets and then handed them handed one to me and I feel like she kind of cheated, but that's fine. Wow. And it has your cabin number, but mine was unknown. I think probably because I was third class. Oh, we don't even care. Yeah, And it tells you like a little blurb about like why they were on the Titanic, a little bit about their life. I think it was so cool. I was a blacksmith. Oh, I like that for you. What are you looking at? I'm looking at.

7:59 The page for it because I wanted to see if I was like I figured, because I thought this was a pretty new exhibit. But I was like, oh God, is there's still time to go see it? You know? So yeah, it looks like it's open through October. Okay, yeah, and it was open like last month, right mm hmm. Yeah, so right before Spooky st When I get swooped out, I wonder, what's that I. Love going to all of their exhibits. Well, I mean, obviously not all of them, but a lot of them I've been to and they're great. They do really great stuff. I've been to like one or two different exhibits over the years, but this is I kind of I need this.

8:40 I think you need to go. It's really cool and I'll talk about some stuff, but like not even there's way way more like I'm not going to tell you everything. No, I mean, it couldn't possibly cover it, I feel like, but I. Will tell you. At the end of the exhibit, you scan a little code on the back of your boarding past tell you if you tells you if you're a survivor or a victim. I am not. I know, and sadly both me and my mom were victims. Are not. We were both men too, so I was like, I don't know the likelihood, Yes, it's probably not great. Uh yeah. And then me being third class, I was like, I'm definitely super going down man. Yeah. Also, at the end, like by the scanning machines, they had a huge wall of all of the survivors and victims names. So it's kind of crazy just to see like the volume, Like you get to see like the volume of people. And obviously like the third class and the crew were the most affected, they had the longest victimless unfortunately. And it was interesting because you could like look through all the names and you can kind of my mom was my mom's passenger persona. He was with his daughter, and so she wanted to go through see like if his daughter had made it out. Yeah, and she did. So that was pretty cool to see, like you can really connect and like relate.

10:08 To yeah no, and like it really connects you to the narrative. Yeah, And it was super interesting. So there was a lady standing next to us and she was looking through the names and then she got like really emotional and she's like I found her and it was her. I think it was a relative. I'm not sure. What the relative was. But she found a relative. They're coming for me, but she had found one of her relatives on the list of survivors. Wow, and she got very emotional. It was crazy to kind of witness that. Oh my gosh, I can imagine. How many people like you were there for that moment when that person found like their relative, right, yeah. Wow.

10:54 And she had said that person like wouldn't talk about it. Really, So, I don't even know if she admitted to even being on the Titanic or what. I don't obviously, I don't know this person's life story, but it right, it sounded like because she was so excited to find her name that maybe she didn't even admit to being on it. I'm not really sure. Yeah, I mean maybe maybe it was like something where it was like it was a fact that was maybe known to certain family members, but something that she didn't want to discuss, right, which totally makes sense. Understandable because I can't even imagine going through something like that's crazy. And there was quite a few informational posters of the survivor's stories, and obviously a lot of them had to do with losing someone in the sinking. Yeah, and a lot of people actually had tickets for another ship and like got transferred to the Titanic too, which is oh my god, crazy, oh my god, like everything that had to happen for those people to be on that boat at that moment, it is pretty emotional. Like, obviously I'm a fan of the movie, you know, so that makes you it's even weird to say you're a fan of like the Titanic, but.

12:11 Right, yeah, I mean it's an interest. Yeah, I guess, And I don't know why. I think probably because of the movie. But yeah, I mean it's obviously it's a fascinating historical topic. But think about you know that it's a very formative moment in our lives, at least the age you know that we were at when that movie came out. Of course, you feel like kind of this you know, it's hard to describe, but you have like this sort of innate interest and you feel like you have this connection to at the very least the film, you know, maybe to just overall the Titanic.

12:51 But and it was around the time that we were born that they even finally found it. I'd kind of forgotten that they didn't find it until I think it was like eighty seven. Oh my gosh, really I'm trying to eighty five. Okay, yeah, I think to eighty five. So yeah, that was like, you know, right, like right before we were born and then the movie, so it's like a core, a core memory. Yeah. So they did have a bunch of different quotes from Passengers as well. It was very There was a lot about the passengers which I really appreciated, like a lot, Right, I feel like that's important. I think so too, because yeah, they're the ones who it happened to, you know, so.

13:31 Right, I mean there's so much that is important to discuss or learn about, and that like informs you about the world and about this major event, right, that doesn't necessarily directly connect you to the victim, right, Yes. But. I don't know, I feel like the like that's all well and good, but without that, it really just is this sort of cold like it would be like going to a deposition almost, Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, that just like puts it in perspective, I think a little bit. Yeah, it's the human experience aspect of it. It just feels like that's important.

14:12 Yeah, So I'm going to read you a couple quotes they're a little heartbreaking because they are just two of a ton that they had. This is from Ida Strauss. She was a first class passenger and IDAs Strauss. Ida Strauss, is this like a famous person? Yeah, so let me. It sounded familiar when I said it. So she's like particularly significant. And this quote, I'm really interested to hear what it is. It's being shared. So. IDAs Strauss was a first class passenger on the Titanic who famously refused to abandon her husband is a door co owner of Macy's. During the nineteen twelve sinking, she gave her fur coat to her maid and chose to die with her husband, embodying a story of devotion often commemorated in Titanic history.

15:07 I'm glad we did that quote. Probably the quote I'm gonna rest, That's what I'm thinking. So she didn't make it right now. I meant to look this up. So I'm glad that you did. Yeah, thank you. There's two other like important spots here, Okay, so I won't. Read the quote. But born in Germany in eighteen forty nine, she was the wife of Isidore Strauss, a businessman and former congressman. They are memorialized at Strauss Park in Manhattan. Oh oh my gosh. They were actually supposed to be in a scene in the Titanic, but it's a deleted scene. I will have to watch that, like they're yeah, they're of them or okay, yeah, interesting, so.

15:50 A deleted scene, I know, right, we have to find it. Yeah, okay, So knowing that context, Yeah, this is why I was like, I'm going to go in reading this quote and I like didn't even look it up because I suck it life, but it worked out. Yeah, okay, So knowing that context, her quote, we have lived together for many years where you go, I go, which sounds like like the captain like kind of like the same, like I'm going down with the ship like I pretty much right. Yeah, So I don't know. I'm sure there are probably like different iterations of like the quote, and maybe some are like a paraphrase versus like an actual like quote. Right because they survive. So it's kind of like hearsay, yeah that's what I'm thinking.

16:35 But just the real quick Google surge, I did it says when offered a seat in a lifeboat, i'da refuse, stating I will not be separated from my husband, as we have lived together, so shall we die together? I know? Then I and then I chose the second quote, which kind of kind of goes along with it. This is from another person, Charlotte Collier, who was the second class passenger, and it says women and children first. Someone was shouting these last few words over and over again. They met my own safety, but also meant the greatest loss I've ever suffered, the life of my husband. So it's like you kind of did have to choose, Like, and then this Ida chose to stay with her husband, so it's like you either choose your life or you know.

17:27 Okay, so they are still depicted in the film. Okay, you remember that, Yes, the. Old couple in bed hugging and cuddling. So they had a scene where it was like about how she refused to leave. That was like, I don't know, I feel like I remember seeing a little bit more of this couple than just the bed scene. But like, clearly there was something extended about these characters, these people that was like cut from the final film. Wow, it like makes watching the movie more sad because the people were like actually based on real passengers, like obviously Jack and Rose. We don't. We don't know, it could have happened, but like right.

18:15 Yeah, and I mean ultimately, like this is about a real event, even if like certain you know, characters or like aspects of the event are like fictionalized, but like knowing this specific person like that's wild. Also, it's crazy how much the captain like looks like the fucking captain. It's so creepy. Ooh the captain. Yeah, I took a picture of like his quote, whoa, yeah, Like they're like the same fucking person. It's crazy. Wow. His quote was, I could not conceive of any vital disaster happening to the specil. Modern shipbuilding has gone beyond that, which is very uh very haunting in high site, which everyone thought that it was the unthinkable ship.

19:04 Right, yeah, that was that was its whole thing. Hmm. Okay. So I was just curious because one of the things that comes up about Ida stress is that she was like her body was never recovered, right, And I was like wow, like as a first class passenger, like obviously her and her husband they were a little bit older, and they decided no, like we want to die together if like, if that's what's on the table is death, like we're going to just stay together. I was just curious, like how many people were recovered, because every person that I've looked at it makes a note of like recovered or it notably says not recovered. A total of three hundred and thirty seven bodies were recovered from the Titanic disaster out of roughly fifteen hundred people who died.

20:00 Yeah, yeah, not a lot where. I mean, they had a hard time even finding the ships. So I can imagine, Okay, so you want to hear a little I have some more, have a lot more. Yeah. There was a survivor named Dorothy Winnifred Gibson, and she started a movie that released May twelfth, nineteen twelve, so literally less than a month after, and it's called Saved from the Titanic, And she was wearing the literal same dress she wore during the sinking to like reenact this whoa. And I can't even imagine like how traumatizing that would be, Like you're not even a month out. I mean that's when the dy released, so it was like literally right after.

20:48 I feel like for a lot of people, though, the idea that you would be like traumatized, like it's not that it didn't happen, but people just like they just discounted it. They just discarded any you know, you just stuff it down. Yeah. Oh so I can't I don't know, I can't imagine doing that. But yeah, so that happened. It was how there happened. The movie was successful, but not as successful as Kate and Leo's version, well obviously unfortunately, but probably because it was more I feel like it was maybe more document documentary style. I'm not sure.

21:31 Actually, oh I could see that. Yeah, I obviously haven't watched it and I didn't look up anything about it, so I don't. Yeah. So they also had a sign up that was kind of dedicating this exhibit in memory of pH Nargiale. He led the first recovery expedition to the Titanic in nineteen eighty seven, so that was the first time they went down. Wow, after they found it, so two years after they actually found it, it's crazy. He went on to lead five more recovery expeditions over the years, and many of the artifacts in this exhibit were actually recovered by the fifteen that's crazy. Yeah. He held the record for thirty seven submersible dives to the Titanic recksite, but on his thirty eighth dive June eighteenth, twenty twenty three, Ocean Gates Titans submersible imploded due to a structural issue, killing all five passengers. Yeah, which I feel like this is something in the very recent news that we all kind of knew about. Yeah, I guess I didn't really realize who he was though.

22:42 I didn't realize he was responsible for like all of these artifacts being recovered. Yeah, because there was a lot of nasty shit going around about that, and I'm not going to get into that, but yeah, people have their thoughts and feelings about it, which I think what you want. It's still sad people died, it is. The news story I watched though, was pretty interesting though, because it said that the they had sensors that did detect the structural issue about eight dives previously, so technically could have been avoided, which is very unfortunate. I actually have looked into this. I have thought about it and I and I might. I just haven't like do anitted but deep dive.

23:27 Yeah, submersible. If you need to do a deep dive on it, I will not be upset. Well, I'll be upset yeah, but I do kind of want to know more about it because I just watch like a little news clip. Yeah. So, I mean the thing about the titan submersible, like you kind of already said, it's like that was such an avoidable tragedy, like at a criminal level in more than one way. Yeah. And the fact that the company was called Ocean Gate, it's got gate in the name. I mean, it just feels like it was foreshadowing.

24:07 That's kind of that kind of sucks. So at the end of the exhibit, there was a wall of local stories related to the Titanic, so local as in the PNW, which I got so excited about because obviously, so at the beginning, I've been wanting to talk about the Titanic, but I'm like, how am I going to relate this HI to the p and W? And then Amsy just delivered me up this little platter and was like here you go. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure it even googled, like is the PW related in any way? But like it's so broad that you'd have to I feel like you'd have to know specific passengers or something. Yeah. So Herman Klaber forty one was one of the most prominent hop dealers and growers in the United States. He was known as the hop King HOPK, which is very PNWO of him. So PNW. Herman and his cousins started clayber Wolf and Netter that became one of the largest hop enterprises in the world. Whoa wow. And they operated out of San Francisco, Portland, Tacoma. In London. Oh okay, well there you go. He then founded Herman, claybur and Co.

25:22 In Washington and Oregon and acquired a two hundred acre hop branch in Lewis County, Washington only, and there he established the community of clayb oh in nineteen oh six. I don't know if they're still I assume they're sold. Is this like the unincorporated communities? Yeah, I mean, or you know, it's possible the name changed. Yeah since then, you guys have to look it up on your own. Yeah, episodes too long side quest. In nineteen oh eight, Herman relocated his headquarters to Portland, where he lived at the Highland Court Apartments, which I just googled. There are are still Highland Court Apartments. I'm not sure if they're the same. Yeah, yeah, a little too much of a thread to pull at. But yeah, so that'd be cool though if they're like still around, I.

26:10 Know, can you imagine, because there's a lot. Of old like apartment buildings in their island. Oh, that's so cool. He intentionally delayed his return home to experience the Titanic's made in voyage. Herman tragically perished in the sinking in his body was never recovered. Oh well, yeah, because they recovered such a small percentage of the. Non survivors. Then we're going to talk about another couple, the Warrens not ed and Lorraine. You guys, this is Frank and Anna. They were in their sixties. They were prominent members of Portland's elite society. Let me drink my wine with my pink. Oh oh, the lead and Anna to Frank and Anna, Pinky's out for Frank and Anna.

27:09 Frank founded Warren Packing Co, a canning and shipping enterprise that became one of the Pacific Northwest leading operations. They booked passage on Titanic to return home after a luxurious trip for their fortieth wedding anniversary. Oh my god, shut the fuck up. I know. On the night of April fourteenth, they were awoken in their first class cabin by a sharp jolt, but Frank assured Anna that there was no danger because the Titanic could not see. That's sound thinkable. Oh my gold. As we know that was not the case. Anna boarded the second lifeboat to launch. Frank, however, was not able to board, and like many victims, his body was never recovered.

27:53 No nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I know their fortieth wedding anniversary. They're in their sixties. No, no, no, that's so sad. Oh my god. All right, do you want to move on to maybe some more like funner things. To talk about, possibly only the funnest, more funner, because this is getting sad and I I'm done. Okayeah, that's just it's awful. It's awful because and I don't know how historically accurate this is, because I haven't researched this recently, but like the fact that a lot of women boarded those lifeboats and they were telling people, we're just doing this as.

28:42 A precaution, right they were to. Heelp, that's my understanding again, and. You know, filling them up like the first one had like what twenty seven out of but I think it was like one hundred and sixty people could fit on the lifeboat and have like twenty seven people. That's so crazy. Yeah. People were like, I don't want to get out. Of the big boat, right, Yeah, but I mean that's what happens when you're not truly aware. Of like what the threat level is. Yeah, I wouldn't trust it. Get me off this fucking. Boat, seriously, but I mean grown up with hindsight, so well. Yeah, I mean you're getting on a smaller boat in the middle of the ocean. I could understand some trees station. Yes, I'm really curious. The Titanic was equipped with twenty lifeboats with a total capacity of eleven hundred and seventy eight people.

29:36 The fourteen standard wooden boats would hold sixty five people each, too, smaller cutters hold forty each, and four collapsibles hold forty seven each. Okay, oh my god. It's been a while since I have looked at the stats on this, but it's rough. There are like, this is clearly one of those things where it's like and this is why there are safety regulations. Because the total capacity of the lifeboats only accounted for about half of the twenty two hundred people on board.

30:17 Yeah, wow. And the fact that they weren't even filling them up. Nope. To begin with, it's crazy. While they could hold eleven hundred and seventy eight people, only seven hundred twelve people were saved, meaning four hundred and seventy two spots went unused. Oh my god. The total capacity of eleven seventy eight was actually thirty nine percent higher than the regulations required at the time. What so this was them actually doing more? Wow. I didn't know that part. I didn't either. Why would it just be a like duh, we should have a seat for every person on board, right. I Also, the amount.

31:08 Of crew that like passed away was so sad. Yeah, that's insane. They may have had like a higher capacity than was required at the time, but they did not make good use of it. Like, and I think suffice to say, like, I think we all understand that clearly mistakes were made, but like, yeah, it just makes no sense. It's just so upsetting. Okay, Like I said, let's get into some other things. Okay, So since this is a paranormal podcast, I have something else to share with you. Ah.

31:48 And this is kind of spooky because if I had written this episode when I was supposed to like the week prior, I might not have seen this. Really so and that fascination really close to the anniversary, I. Know, Yeah, procrastination works out just that way. What are you gonna do? You know, sometimes just happens, Lloyd, it's both say it so. April fourteenth, twenty twenty six, on the one hundred and fourteenth anniversary of the Titanic sinking, a storm Chicago heavy rain caused the Titanic exhibit at the Volo Museum to flood. Shut the fuck up. Isn't that crazy?

32:32 I what? So it's like I'm laughing because it's it's just that crazy, so eerie. This is a quote from Jim, the marketing director of the museum. Okay, the irony of any Titanic exhibit flooding is strange enough, but the fact that ours flooded on the exact anniversary of the Titanic sinking is more ironic. It's almost paranormal, they even think. But that's a little too. And the interesting thing is this is not the only time it's flooded. E squeeze me. It flooded on their opening year as well, Oh my gosh, and previously no other record of the building flooding at all only these two times.

33:21 Okay, so I'm starting to think like maybe, you know. Like maybe the building's getting old. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's sure, let's go with that. But on the opening year and the one hundred and fourteenth anniversary, I don't know, Man, it's weird. I know, man, museum staff was able to protect the priceless artifacts though, so nothing was damaged in the flood, which is great because there's like cars in there, really old cars and just a bunch of things. Yeah. I would just think that, like it would be the kind of like flooding, not like a tsunami level flood.

34:06 It would just be like, oh no, we've got six inches yeah yeah, yeah, get. The newspapers down. We gotta absorb that. Yeah, kitty litters. Somethink the exhibit could be haunted. Apparently quite a few of the visitors have reported paranormal experiences, and they've caught some unexplainable happenings on security cameras. I honestly think it's very likely that you have these artifacts from this tragedy right that there could be something paranormal happening there.

34:47 It feels fair to suggest that maybe there's some energy that's lingering. Lurking and lingering around. Yeah no, I mean not to say that they're delicious and like causing a flood or something like that. But I don't maybe they don't realize. Maybe they don't. Maybe they don't. It's just like stored or what is that like residual energy type thing? Who's so key? So Ghost Adventures did an episode there which is like one of my favorite episodes, obviously because it's of the of the Titanic Museum. It was a really cool episode. I won't go into it, you'll just have to go find it. But I was I was rewatching like their rewatch of it, maybe like a screaming room.

35:38 Oh. I just like quickly watched that to just like refresh my memory of it. And Zach said that he has the Captain's mirror in his Haunted Museum, which I remember. Oh yeah, I saw that when I was there in faa he and apparently he shows his face in it from time to time. I did not witness this. But yeah, I don't know how I feel about that. I think I was pretty enamored with it though, because I think that's the first artifact i'd ever seen of the Titanic because I'd never been to an exhibit before anything. So I was like staring at it, like, come on, captain, come on, show me your face. Or don't because that's cool too. What But I'd be really interested to like hear stories from the staff at the museum or even at Amsy. I wonder if Amsy's experiencing anything. Yeah, with all the artifacts around. Uh So I'm going to tell you a little bit about some of my favorite things that I saw there. Yeah, they have an iceberg that you can touch. What girl, it's real cold? Yeah, I think barely. I could barely keep my hands on it. But it was cool. It was really cool because it is for kids too, and yeah, it's really cool to see like all the little kids like, well, it's ice so like it kills all the jar I'm sorry, I don't know. It was really cold ice. Yeah, yeah, I'm telling you. And I really liked things that really showed like the water damage. So there was this crazy

37:12 one that was there was soap in a soap holder and the soap is like still intact, but it looks like evil soap you know that has been. Yeah, yeah, just back, it does but it was underwater. But it was crazy that it didn't just like totally dissolve the way you know, right, So stuff like that was really interesting to me. That is how crazy. They had this like a partial back of the chair. That's so weird, Like I wonder if people use that to like float on, you know, maybe or tried, I don't know. They also had coal from underwater coal. Isn't it crazy? What?

37:56 And they actually recovered a bunch of coal from the Titanic and they were selling pieces of it in the gift shop. Shut up, Yes, you can't hold it. They're like in in things. They're tiny pieces. It's like a specimen. Yeah. Yeah. So and these things were expensive. They were like out of my price price range, my price range. And I was going around and I was like, man, I really just wanted I wanted something from the gift shop. Yeah, but I was like, I don't know, it has to be like the perfect thing. And then once I saw the coal that was like literally a piece of the Titanic that they brought up from under the water, Like that's crazy to me. Why aren't people like buying the shut up?

38:44 Yeah? So I was looking around, I was like, man, it's got in my price range. And then I found something that was in my price range shut up, and I like legit cried. I was like, Okay, I can do this. So I have a piece of coal from the Titanic. Oh my gosh. And it's really cute. It's in like a little steering wheel, a little ship steering wheel. Oh my god. And it comes with an authentic a certificate of authentic stations. Huh. It comes with a certificate of authenticity, is what I'm trying to say. It says coal use in this product was recovered during the nineteen ninety four Titanic Research and Recovery Expedition. Wow, it's real, Like this came from I can't even like, I still can't.

39:41 That's so cool. I own a piece of the Titanic. I could be haunted, you guys, Well, I mean I kind of hope not. I don't know what kind of energy is in this little tiny piece of coal. Yeah, that's true. All those poor crew members that were down there shoveling the coal, Like, I feel like most of those ones did not make it. Yeah no, I don't think so. So we're almost done here. I just want to say, please go support AMSI if you can, if you have any interest in the Titanic, it's totally worth it. Okay. Cool, So you can just like finish up with like the terror reading on your own, right, because like, actually I need to get. Oh yeah yeah yeah, I actually already have a card, so we don't even need to bowl one. I just I just have a thing.

40:24 So it's like down at the waterfront. Yeah, get out here. Wow. I had this idea while I was going through my pictures. I came across a playing card that they found shut up, and I just had this Queen of Spade. It's Queen of clubs, clubs and. I can't really my contacts really blurry right now. That equates to the Queen of Wands in tarot oh. I felt like maybe that's the card we should read for this, because they had the one playing card in the I don't know if they found more, but that's only when they had in the exhibit exhibit.

41:07 Okay, our keywords are creativity, passion, prosperity, fruitfulness, and generosity. Okay. Like the King, the Queen of Wands is often pictured seated on a throne wearing an elegant robe and a crown. She's usually a beautiful, mature woman who epitomizes feminine authority, confidence, warmth, and enthusiasm. I feel like that is the Titanic A. Little bit right interesting You should say that in a reading. The Queen may signify an actual person. When she does, it's someone who's active, vibrant, and outgoing, perhaps a woman with a creative nature. Wow, this is really interesting. Okay, Okay.

41:56 A fortunate card the upright Queen gives you a. Thumbs up. If this card signifies a real person. She's a figure who commands respect whether she's in the boardroom or the home. A wise advisor. She is also a loyal friend, a loving partner, a trustworthy authority. I feel like that's how everyone viewed this and the people who are who built the ship and who are running it. Yeah, I feel like this is ida. Oh, because listen to this. She has a nurturing, colorful, and generous nature.

42:40 She's confident in her abilities and encourages others to do their best. Like the King, she may play a prominent role in a business or her community. Yeah, I just feel like it. You know, it says like a loving partner, loyal friend, and. I don't know, oh something about that. It just feels like she literally gave this like fur coat to you know, one of her maids and put her on the lifeboat and was like, get the actual fuck out of here. That's so sweet, I know. In a question about money, the Queen says, do what you love, the money will follow. You may receive money from a creative venture or prosper through partnership or other alliance.

43:29 Interesting if you asked about a job matter, The Upright Queen shows a period of fulfillment when a project bears fruit and you're happy with the outcome. This is also a good time to birth or expand a venture. Oh go on a maiden voyage might not be such a good time. I'm wondering. I'm curious what like The reverse says too, Yeah, we don't know how they found the card should thank. One sentence for the other for the final bullet, which is always about like love and relationships. In a reading about a relationship, she shows a passionate romance between loyal, loving partners.

44:13 Oh that could be the Strausses, that could be the Warrens, that could be Jack and Rose. M Okay, so there's an extra excerpt In this too, the Queen of Wan's represents a vital, passionate, and aggressive female who wants to help other people. Through her efforts. Oh though she appears to be fighting those who cross her path, she is a true champion of those she supports. That reminds me of like Margaret Brown, the Unthinkable, Molly Brown or whatever, who was like a real person. They had a bunch of posters about her too, But she was like that, and she like even took over the lifeboat that she was on because the the person who was running it was acting a moron, an idiot. I don't know what here was a man in the nineteen twelve.

45:06 I feel like in the movie he wanted to like go back and save people, but they were afraid that they were going to like sink. Yeah, I don't know if she like took it over and did she helped people though she like took over their lifeboat. I feel like I remember exactly. I think that was the situation is they didn't they weren't. They were all debating sort of whether or not they should go back and help try to rescue people from the water, and they were like, if they rushed the boat, we could all end up being capsized, which is you know, it's a very like practical fear. Or you have room and there's all those people dying out there. Yeah, and you already have four hundred and seventy two spots on the boats that weren't filled at all, So there's that.

45:48 Yeah. Yeah, so that's interesting. I didn't really talk about her because there was so much to talk about, but. Yeah, so this is interesting because the reverse is when the Queen of Wands is reversed. She can mean a situation won't come to fruition as fast as you'd hoped, or your satisfaction will be limited, your enthusiasm may flag, or you just don't feel inspired. If she's a real person, she's a powerful, emotional woman who demands respect and absolute loyalty. She can be jealous and manipulative, both in love and in business. Don't cross her. This is the drama Queen car Oh shit. So I think if the upright is Ida, the reverse is actually the physical ship. I think in a reading about money, the reverse Queen warns you to be careful with investments or business spending, particularly in joint ventures.

46:49 If you've asked about a job related issue, she may indicate deception or power struggles. Watch your back. A co worker may not be trustworthy. No, are not? Or this could be the titan submerciabule. Well there's that. In a relationship reading, she may suggest emotional upsets, infidelity, or a cooling of affection. Cooling like if you hit an iceberg. Yeah, is that it? Yeah? Oh, I know, I mean wanted more. I know I'm disappointed. No, not, that was a good card, though, I felt like mm hmm yeah. Yeah, Well I can tell you about one more funny thing that I didn't add, but I wrote it down just in case we needed some more to talk about.

47:42 Okay, are you gonna pull another card? No, I was going to see what the card is for a point of ones, because we may as well still show this card too. I feel like, you know, oh, that is a good idea. Okay, Oh, it's a black cat, two different colored eyes, one. Of them's blue. Yeah, like the O ships. It's just really short and stupid. But it like caught my funny bone a little bit, so they kept They kept talking about rusticles. Rusticles which are selactite like structures that are formed when iron lovy bacteria attack the steel so it's like those those like ice icicles. I think you there are icicles of rust.

48:30 Basically that's so crazy, and they are they will eventually destroy the ship. Yeah, so it won't always be there, which is like right, kind of like why you should go to these exhibits and like see because they do show like underwater footage of it and pictures and things, because it won't always be there. Yeah, But they kept they kept talking about the rusticals. And then there's this one part that it said the phrase rustical analysis. And I couldnot stop saying a rustical analysis, rustical analysis. That is crazy. So I will forever be saying rustical analysis. I love that, so big, y'all. Okay, I don't know some of the like some of the imagery that this evokes for me. I mean, I realize it's a cat.

49:23 It's not like an aquatic thing. But I think you'll I don't know, Okay, you'll see, Okay, action tempered by insight, connection to one's true self, vivacity and intuition, confidence, vanity, haughtiness, a witch. Some towns have a nightmare. This one has a night queen. By day, you might not even notice her. A black shape lounging on the porch of an old craftsman, A sleek shadow avoid. In Iceberg, in the middle of the ocean at night, she comes alive, melding with pools of darkness as she moves liquidly through her realm. Whoa.

50:16 Her element is night, and she is in her element. She has an image to uphold, and she makes a show of it as she struts along an avenue. Her subjects respect her and fear her. They flee or freeze in obeisance before her WHOA. On these occasions, when she deigns to let them hear her coming, they know their lives are in her claws. Iceberg right ahead. She is by turns, powerful and ethereal, crafty and mischievous, women, musical and wicked. She acts and her will manifests. Damn, dude, that's kind of creepy.

51:10 Yeah, I don't know. I got Iceberg vibes. Yeah, it's a really pretty card. I think this is fox gloves. Oh yeah, pretty. I love how it just a cat. It doesn't even say kind of cat. Yeah it is. It's fox glove. Yeah, which is deadly as hey. It's interesting. It talked about the night time too, because I mean obviously it happened at night. Yeah, I know, that's what I was kind of thinking too. Oh man, that's crazy. Well did you guys like that episode? Have you gone to AMSI Jimny Hauntings? Do you have a piece of coal from the Titanic? Let us know it's a flower. By the way, it's not that we didn't steal gloves from a fox who is cold.

52:01 Yeah, f yi, unconscionable. They also call it ladies glove or rusty fox. Glove, rustical analysis. Digitalis It's like there's all these different classifications of it and they're all digitalists d D. Yeah, it's interesting, like digits like your fingers. Yeah, yeah, kind of. There's one named pantaloons. I feel like I just want to go down like a really strange rabbit hole. Yeah, that's like one of my favorite words too, really honestly.

52:45 Like the other thing that kind of struck me is like the picture on the on the card from the PNW deck, Like they're reddish looking fox gloves, which makes. Me think of a rustical a rustical Yeah. Analysis, restical analysis. I will never stop. Digitalis the probable analysis, digitalis banaloon. I feel like some words just get stuck in your head and yeah, you just have to say them. And fully, we just made our own, Like I feel like that's pretty much what they did for all of like the Harry Potter spells, you know what I mean.

53:26 It was just like make up something vaguely Latin sounding. It all sound like vagina parts. Yeah, pretty much. All right, Well let's think. Yeah, otherwise I'll pee my pants and we can do together because we were together Together's see if we still. Got it a creepy day. We'll see you next Thursday. Rostacle analysis