Neon-lit Nostalgia: Polybius and the Golden Age of Arcades

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,840[MUSIC]200:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,280You know, urban legends sometimes can just flutter away as times change.300:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,640But I love that this one stays in the public consciousness.400:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,000And even if you don't know it's there, there's Easter eggs in all kinds of pop culture where500:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,480Polybius keeps showing up.600:00:18,480 --> 00:00:24,320So it was in the Simpsons, the Goldbergs, 9-inch nails video, less than.700:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,320Loki in season one, Polybius was there.800:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,920It's just going to keep going on, which is fantastic because it keeps arcade in the consciousness.900:00:32,920 --> 00:00:39,720[MUSIC]1000:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,840Hi, Caitlyn.1100:00:40,840 --> 00:00:41,840Hi, Cassie.1200:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,440Hi, creepy people.1300:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,880Hello.1400:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,360If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat1500:00:50,360 --> 00:00:56,520about true crime, paranormal, and a lot of creepy shit in the Pacific Northwest.1600:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,480So much creepy shit.1700:00:59,480 --> 00:01:05,400We also do a tour reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight1800:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,840into our topic of the day.1900:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,560And you should stick around if you're into that, but I'm going to take off.2000:01:12,560 --> 00:01:13,440K-Bye.2100:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,040Yeah, Caitlyn's not sticking around for this one.2200:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,720The topic proved just far too terrifying for her to deal with.2300:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,040So yeah, also it wasn't invited.2400:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,000That's not true.2500:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,160She was invited.2600:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,520She just happens to have a day job during the week, which is the only time our guests could2700:01:31,520 --> 00:01:32,520come.2800:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,760So gross, you guys.2900:01:37,760 --> 00:01:43,120With indoor weather season, now in full swing, people are most likely looking for a place3000:01:43,120 --> 00:01:48,120to have some fun out of the house and also safe from the elements.3100:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,760And what better way to do that than go to an arcade?3200:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,080Plus it has a bar, so that's like a no brainer, right?3300:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,680So today I'm joined by Shana and Eric from Arcade 2084. http://www.barthattimeforgot.com/3400:01:59,680 --> 00:02:00,680Hello.3500:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,680Nice to be here.3600:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,160Thanks for having us.3700:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,160Yes, of course.3800:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,560I'm so excited.3900:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,760Can you tell us a little bit about your arcade?4000:02:08,760 --> 00:02:16,840Arcade 2084 is what we call a cinema grade recreation of what arcades were really like in4100:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,400the early 80s.4200:02:18,400 --> 00:02:24,760This is when video arcades first emerged and became more than a national pastime, but4300:02:24,760 --> 00:02:32,360a really global phenomenon that as everybody knows, kicked off video gaming as we know it.4400:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,360Yes.4500:02:33,360 --> 00:02:39,800With a full bar and awesome food and cocktails, it's the whole package with awesome music.4600:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,240It's not just an arcade, it's not just a room with games.4700:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,760It's a full experience.4800:02:44,760 --> 00:02:45,760It really is.4900:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,200I've been there and I walked in and I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool.5000:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,800There's lights everywhere.5100:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,280You got the 80s music and the videos and it's awesome.5200:02:56,280 --> 00:02:57,280It's really fun place.5300:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,520It's a real world outside and just have some fun and escape for a while.5400:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,120Yeah, it's almost like stepping into like a time machine.5500:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,680It's time travel, for sure.5600:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,320Well that leads me into very well into our topic today.5700:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,520In 1981, arcades were at the height of their popularity.5800:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,160Portland, Oregon was said to have been one of the prime locations for testing new games5900:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,640and have you guys heard that?6000:03:21,640 --> 00:03:22,640Yes.6100:03:22,640 --> 00:03:23,640Okay.6200:03:23,640 --> 00:03:25,600I'm barely an 80s baby.6300:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,480I was 89 so I didn't really get to experience the 80s.6400:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,240I kind of have to live vicariously through things like this and you know, stranger things6500:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,240and everything.6600:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,480Did you guys get to experience the 80s?6700:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,480Indeed.6800:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,560And that's part of why this place is here because a lot of people missed it.6900:03:43,560 --> 00:03:50,880I was a teenager every year of the 80s and going to these places was something I could do7000:03:50,880 --> 00:03:56,720no matter what town I found myself in because I moved around a lot, a lot of kids do.7100:03:56,720 --> 00:04:03,280And this is where we all could meet new friends and old friends and everybody got together7200:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,000there across all social and economic strata.7300:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,720It was a really special time.7400:04:07,720 --> 00:04:14,320He was a teenager, I'm a few years younger but yet I was there and as an only child it7500:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,000was great to be able to always have some place to go where there were people like to hang7600:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000out with.7700:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,160Oh yeah, that is great.7800:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,320I didn't even think about that.7900:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,320And teenager.8000:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,320So as the under kid I'm like, "Ooh, I'm with the cool older kids."8100:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,320Yeah.8200:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,560Did you guys have like competitions?8300:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,160I don't know what is it, the high score.8400:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,680I know there's less competitions and more sort of just boasting rights.8500:04:39,680 --> 00:04:45,360You got to put your initials in and maybe somebody would see that and you'd have a bit8600:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,360of no to write.8700:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,360Nice.8800:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,080Or somebody would be having a really good game and people would just start to gather around8900:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,120and watch and you'd see like, "What's going on over there?"9000:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,160And then the crowd just gets bigger and bigger and...9100:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,360Oh, that is so cool.9200:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,160A lot of camaraderie.9300:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,400And we still see that happen.9400:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,400It's really wonderful.9500:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,400Oh, good.9600:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,400I love that.9700:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,400Do you guys get pretty packed on like the weekends?9800:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,400Well, I don't know about packed, but you know, we got a healthy steady crowd all day long.9900:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,680And it's never really, you know, sort of butt to butt there.10000:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,440Well, that's good.10100:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,680You don't want it over stuff, right?10200:05:22,680 --> 00:05:28,440Our kids, you know, there's a lot of reputation for being like hot and dirty and crowded.10300:05:28,440 --> 00:05:35,040And we are nice and cool and clean and not so crowded.10400:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,720So let's get on with our topic for today.10500:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,600It's going to be really fun.10600:05:39,600 --> 00:05:47,480So it was in this year that I just mentioned, 1981, that black, unmarked cabinets would pop10700:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,920up in several arcades in the city and surrounding areas.10800:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,880This mysterious game is known as...10900:05:54,880 --> 00:05:55,880Polybius.11000:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,400I feel like I should have done like an echo.11100:05:58,400 --> 00:06:05,400So I've heard Beaverton specifically.11200:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,280I didn't end up coming across it again in my notes or in my research.11300:06:10,280 --> 00:06:12,520I don't know where I heard.11400:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,520It was in Beaverton.11500:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,840Have you guys heard a specific town?11600:06:15,840 --> 00:06:16,840No, same.11700:06:16,840 --> 00:06:21,160When I looked into this in the past, I remember seeing Beaverton specifically.11800:06:21,160 --> 00:06:26,560But when I brushed up on my research yesterday, I only saw Portland and surrounding suburbs.11900:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,560Right.12000:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,080Okay, so it's not just me.12100:06:30,080 --> 00:06:36,920It's just the whole urban legend, the detail seemed to change like that and it just keeps12200:06:36,920 --> 00:06:37,920it going.12300:06:37,920 --> 00:06:38,920What's true?12400:06:38,920 --> 00:06:39,920What's that through?12500:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,760Yeah, it's really weird.12600:06:41,760 --> 00:06:47,120Because when I was diving into it, I was kind of on the other side of it, like, oh, it12700:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,200probably wasn't real.12800:06:49,200 --> 00:06:54,760But then getting into it, I was like, no, because I just experienced the same kind of Mandela12900:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,520effect thing where the details are changed.13000:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,440So now I'm just all confused.13100:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,000The mystery doesn't end with an unmarked cabinet though.13200:07:06,000 --> 00:07:13,200Symptoms of playing this game or sickness, nightmares, memory loss and behavioral changes.13300:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,400No one knows what about the game caused these symptoms.13400:07:17,400 --> 00:07:23,040But some fan-made games of what they think the gameplay was like seemed to indicate it was13500:07:23,040 --> 00:07:29,800a mix of optical illusions and visual and audio subliminal messaging.13600:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,440So did you guys ever come across any Polybius cabinets?13700:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,200I have a supplier that has the Polybius cabinet in his warehouse.13800:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,200Oh my gosh.13900:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,200Is it okay?14000:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,200Is it a real one or is it a fan-made?14100:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,880Well, that's a big question.14200:07:43,880 --> 00:07:44,880That is the question, isn't it?14300:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,080I mean, of course, it's a mock-up.14400:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,480You know, I happen to know that.14500:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,920It depends on one's credibility when one tells you something, right?14600:07:54,920 --> 00:07:55,920Right, yeah.14700:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,640Well, are you just going to believe that?14800:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,120This is a legend.14900:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,120Yes.15000:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,400And there's no real substantive evidence to support it, but it is fun.15100:08:05,400 --> 00:08:11,400And there's a lot of mock-up cabinets that make people wonder, well, was that really a15200:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,680real one or is it just a mock-up?15300:08:13,680 --> 00:08:14,680Yeah.15400:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,360It's so freaking mysterious.15500:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,760So have you played this one?15600:08:19,760 --> 00:08:20,760No.15700:08:20,760 --> 00:08:21,760No.15800:08:21,760 --> 00:08:22,760I have not.15900:08:22,760 --> 00:08:23,760I don't know that it's playable, really.16000:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,360I know that he's used it in his own productions.16100:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,360Okay.16200:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,760Because that's one of the big things is no one really knows what the gameplay was like.16300:08:32,760 --> 00:08:33,760Right.16400:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,440People have kind of speculated that it was sort of like tempest, which I don't know.16500:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,760I don't have any idea what that is.16600:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,800Can you guys describe the gameplay for that?16700:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,960Well, tempest is one of the greatest hits of all time and you're probably going to want16800:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,320to edit that out that you've never played it.16900:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,120I might have played it at some point, but I don't remember.17000:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,920Arcade 2084, almost any other arcade worth its salt.17100:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,400And tempest will be there, usually an upright form factor.17200:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,880We have a cocktail table version.17300:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,040And I'll tell you in a minute why I chose that.17400:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,720The author of tempest wanted to create space innovators like Game.17500:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,160Space innovators have been such a huge hit.17600:09:16,160 --> 00:09:22,240But he wanted to create sort of a 3D version where the aliens come toward you.17700:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,640And I think he did a great job.17800:09:24,640 --> 00:09:33,680The game has this sort of 3D effect in suggestion, but it's a vector scan game.17900:09:33,680 --> 00:09:39,720It's obvious to be a vector scan game and ours is in cocktail table form factor.18000:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,320So the bad guys seem to come up from underneath the table at you.18100:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,760It's really a beautiful game to play.18200:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,800And Shana did a little something.18300:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,360She understands something about tempest and why.18400:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,240It may have been confused for Polybius.18500:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,680Yeah, so a couple of things about the gameplay.18600:09:56,680 --> 00:10:00,000Well, we'll stick with tempest for a second.18700:10:00,000 --> 00:10:06,480The tempest, your ship moves around a field.18800:10:06,480 --> 00:10:13,200And the original version of it, your ship was stationary in the field itself moved.18900:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,280And that was causing nausea and vertigo.19000:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,520I could see that.19100:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,520Right.19200:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,360And so they changed it to what it is now.19300:10:20,360 --> 00:10:26,360So if anybody had played those, there was this conception that arcade games can make19400:10:26,360 --> 00:10:27,360you sick.19500:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,320I think you nauseous and all that.19600:10:29,320 --> 00:10:35,760And then the people who have actually claimed to have played Polybius describe it as a combination19700:10:35,760 --> 00:10:41,400of tempest and Gallagher, puzzle and shooter game where the moving ship rotates around the19800:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,320screen, shooting at objects.19900:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,880And each level gets harder with distracting backgrounds and wildly spinning graphics that20000:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,600were brightly colored with these moving hypnotic backgrounds.20100:10:54,600 --> 00:10:55,600So that was whoo.20200:10:55,600 --> 00:11:04,000A people who have tried the gameplay of Polybius, which is eerily similar to a game called20300:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,320cube quest, which you know, you can, you can do the images of that.20400:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,520And it looks almost exactly like what people describe Polybius as.20500:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,680There's even like these spinning skulls coming at you at the very first level.20600:11:15,680 --> 00:11:16,680Oh my gosh.20700:11:16,680 --> 00:11:18,040Well, that sounds fun.20800:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,160And that was a game that was a laser disk game.20900:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,480So it's like seed, they were like CDs, but they were giant because they were video, but21000:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,440they were like a record album with the shiny stuff like a CD.21100:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,800And they, it was a new technology.21200:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,480It broke a lot.21300:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,560So no, that's what show up in arcades break often.21400:11:37,560 --> 00:11:41,720And then the operators of the arcade would say get this machine out of here.21500:11:41,720 --> 00:11:47,080So those machines would come and go pretty quickly with this same kind of gameplay.21600:11:47,080 --> 00:11:53,680So I suspect that people who think they played polyveas actually played cube quest.21700:11:53,680 --> 00:12:00,880How, I just, Polybius is such a random, very memorable name too.21800:12:00,880 --> 00:12:06,000So I'm kind of wondering how that possibly could have got confused.21900:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,520Turns out that it's not so random.22000:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,920Oh, it's not.22100:12:09,920 --> 00:12:10,920Okay.22200:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,880Polybius was the name of a Greek, let's see, in the five minutes, here's I get it right.22300:12:15,880 --> 00:12:16,880Philosopher.22400:12:16,880 --> 00:12:17,880Weren't all Greeks.22500:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,880Philosophers?22600:12:18,880 --> 00:12:19,880No, it's a Greek historian.22700:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,880So it's a Greek historian born in Arcadia.22800:12:22,880 --> 00:12:23,880Oh, okay.22900:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,520That's a little convenient.23000:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,520Yes.23100:12:28,520 --> 00:12:33,880And he was known, it was historian that was known for relying on firsthand accounts.23200:12:33,880 --> 00:12:39,360Asserting that historians should never report what cannot be verified through an interview23300:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,720with eyewitnesses.23400:12:40,720 --> 00:12:41,720So.23500:12:41,720 --> 00:12:42,720Yes.23600:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,720Wow.23700:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,560It's almost like someone kind of planned this out here.23800:12:47,560 --> 00:12:48,560Right.23900:12:48,560 --> 00:12:53,360Because that's connected a little too easily.24000:12:53,360 --> 00:12:59,040So I heard, so we kind of talked about the optical illusion effect of the game, but I've24100:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,360also heard that it has video and audio subliminal messaging in it.24200:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,280Have you ever heard any of that?24300:13:06,280 --> 00:13:07,280I hadn't heard that.24400:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,880I had heard the subliminal messages, but, you know, I don't know.24500:13:11,880 --> 00:13:12,880It doesn't work.24600:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,800Yeah, I think it's, it's one of those things where they were trying to relate it to a government24700:13:16,800 --> 00:13:23,680conspiracy, government mind control, like the MK Ultra type of thing.24800:13:23,680 --> 00:13:27,520So I think it kind of just all got mishmashed into the story.24900:13:27,520 --> 00:13:28,520Yeah.25000:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,440So my theory and the whole thing like how it began.25100:13:31,440 --> 00:13:37,640So yeah, in 1981, there was two players that got sick at the same arcade on the same day.25200:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,320One of them ended up with a migraine after playing tempest.25300:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,040Now remember, these games were brand new.25400:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,200The flashing lights and the moving lights and everything.25500:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,440We hadn't experienced that really as humans.25600:13:48,440 --> 00:13:49,440Yeah.25700:13:49,440 --> 00:13:55,560And people that might have had photo sensitive issues with lights and flashing lights, you25800:13:55,560 --> 00:13:56,880know, might get headaches or whatever.25900:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,680So the one kid collapsed from a migraine.26000:13:59,680 --> 00:14:06,600The other kid was trying to break a world record and would plan asteroids for 28 hours straight.26100:14:06,600 --> 00:14:07,600Oh my God.26200:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,640He got sick and had to step away, but he'd also been drinking like tons of coke the whole26300:14:12,640 --> 00:14:13,640time.26400:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,640So, yeah.26500:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,720I can't imagine why he got sick.26600:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,720Right.26700:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,240So these two kids get sick at this arcade and Eugene and on the same day.26800:14:23,240 --> 00:14:30,400And then around that same time, there were arcade operators in Portland who were fixing machines26900:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,880for gambling.27000:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,880Yes.27100:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,080No, exactly how it worked, but there were counters that were added.27200:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,640And so federal agents were in town.27300:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,720The FBI was in town, go into these different arcades, taking photos, opening up the back of27400:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,320machines, looking for illegal counters.27500:14:46,320 --> 00:14:51,840And then, you know, a week or so after that, the feds came in and they did a raid for some27600:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,000of this illegal gambling.27700:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,880So you got some kids that got sick in an arcade and you jean.27800:14:56,880 --> 00:15:02,800And then in Portland, guys and suits were showing up, poking around these machines and then27900:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,200moving in black.28000:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,520Exactly.28100:15:05,520 --> 00:15:10,560And so, you know, this was before the internet, before really quick communication among people.28200:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,520And it just seems to me that those two events happening right around the same time was just28300:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,000right for an ordeal agent.28400:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000Yeah.28500:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000The telephone.28600:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,000I agree.28700:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000Yeah.28800:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,360So it's like the telephone effect, like the game of telephone.28900:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,360It changes slightly.29000:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,680It gets a little more exciting or dramatic as you tell the next person and the next person29100:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,680tells the next person.29200:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,000Oh my god, this is pride.29300:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,480It's like, now you're on the cake, you know?29400:15:34,480 --> 00:15:40,120So I also did see that there was on some games, I don't know how long it was for, I don't29500:15:40,120 --> 00:15:46,400know if it was on every game, but there was an FBI message that would pop up on the screen29600:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,560saying winners don't use drugs.29700:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,560Yes.29800:15:49,560 --> 00:15:50,560Yes.29900:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,560That came along.30000:15:51,560 --> 00:15:58,160I think in the late 80s might have been primarily 90s if it didn't start in the 90s.30100:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,080No, I think it probably started in the 80s as part of like the dare campaign.30200:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,080Yeah.30300:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,200To get kids not to use drugs and you know, kids were in front of these games.30400:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,040So they put the message in the games knowing, you know, their target audience was there.30500:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,560Back into the Reagan administration.30600:16:12,560 --> 00:16:13,560Yeah.30700:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,560Right.30800:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,920And then that would, you know, that put the government logo and all these kids' heads as30900:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,720they're playing arcade games.31000:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,720So it's even more of a link to this government conspiracy type of thing.31100:16:25,720 --> 00:16:26,720Right.31200:16:26,720 --> 00:16:32,200And in addition, in the day, and they don't do this anymore on DVDs, but you get a VHS tape.31300:16:32,200 --> 00:16:37,600And at the beginning of every movie was an FBI warning about copywriting and copying31400:16:37,600 --> 00:16:38,920the tape and selling it.31500:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,160And you can be fine and you can go to jail.31600:16:41,160 --> 00:16:47,520So the connection of FBI and media was already there.31700:16:47,520 --> 00:16:48,520Yeah.31800:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,000I mean, after, you know, arcade games have become so huge.31900:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000There are these knockoffs, these clones.32000:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,640And you'd find these, you know, it wasn't quite Donkey Kong or it wasn't really Pac-Man32100:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,640in a lot of arcades.32200:17:00,640 --> 00:17:06,580And so there were people, you know, the right soldiers were losing out on money and the FBI32300:17:06,580 --> 00:17:11,680understood the importance of cracking down on counterfeit intellectual property.32400:17:11,680 --> 00:17:18,320And that had everything to do with, you know, the rise in those warnings on arcade machines32500:17:18,320 --> 00:17:19,320right in the software.32600:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,880You know, don't, you know, you're not allowed to copy this if you're playing this outside32700:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,880of Japan, yada yada.32800:17:24,880 --> 00:17:25,880You know, it's wrong.32900:17:25,880 --> 00:17:32,400And so it really, yeah, it helps to feed in and that coincidental moment to the urban legend.33000:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,400Yeah.33100:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,800Any good urban legends got these kernels of truth.33200:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,800Mm-hmm.33300:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,200Just enough to make you go, is it true?33400:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,320I don't know.33500:17:41,320 --> 00:17:48,360Just enough because I did also find that there was an 18 year old named Peter Berkowski that33600:17:48,360 --> 00:17:52,600passed away from a heart attack while playing the game Berserk.33700:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,720But that was not a direct result of the game itself.33800:17:56,720 --> 00:18:02,960It was stress put on someone who already had an underlying heart condition, unfortunately.33900:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,560Like you said earlier, there wasn't a lot, these were new.34000:18:06,560 --> 00:18:11,000So they weren't really aware that that might, you know, cause stress on your body enough34100:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,360to cause a heart attack or a seizure with the flashing lights.34200:18:15,360 --> 00:18:20,640So that's very sad and unfortunate, but it was not a direct result of the game.34300:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,520And it wasn't Polybius either.34400:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,240It was at an arcade, so, yeah.34500:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,120Gosh, that would be just awful.34600:18:30,120 --> 00:18:31,960Polybius is innocent.34700:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,680I agree.34800:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,320I did watch the documentary on YouTube.34900:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,080Did you guys watch that one?35000:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,440I think we've seen it a while ago.35100:18:41,440 --> 00:18:48,640They had someone made, you know, a mock up of Polybius that had all of the crazy visual optical35200:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,200illusions and the subliminal messaging.35300:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,920And this guy kind of took it apart to let you see the words that were popping up and hear35400:18:57,920 --> 00:18:58,920it.35500:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,920And it was like breathing and like creepy words.35600:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,920It was like, if that was in a real game, that would be really terrifying.35700:19:05,920 --> 00:19:06,920Right.35800:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,760Do you know of any other games like this?35900:19:10,760 --> 00:19:17,280Well, we've mentioned, you know how there are some games which may lend to what Polybius36000:19:17,280 --> 00:19:25,400gets described as tempest and some other laser disk games where the laser disk footage isn't36100:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,720directly controllable.36200:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,960You don't interact with that.36300:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,760It more overlays or underlays the gameplay.36400:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,800Dragon slayer, space age.36500:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,560But none are like Polybius exactly.36600:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,400You'd have to combine, like I say, a few different games.36700:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,760But there have been games, you know, and again, this helps feed the urban legend.36800:19:48,760 --> 00:19:54,240They're having games that have been adapted by the military for training.36900:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,640Battle Zone was one of them.37000:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,240Doom II is another one.37100:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,160So, you know, there's that little thread, that kernel of truth there with the connection.37200:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,160Yeah.37300:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,480So the military actually used these video games as training for like soldiers?37400:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,480Indeed.37500:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,480Oh my gosh.37600:20:11,480 --> 00:20:19,560And another interesting sort of piece of that is there's a home console that predates the37700:20:19,560 --> 00:20:25,520Atari 2600, which everybody knows as right around this time of the arcade craze, you37800:20:25,520 --> 00:20:31,000know, to play the home-ported versions of all these arcade games.37900:20:31,000 --> 00:20:37,800There's a console that predates it called the Fairchild F and libraries very small.38000:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,200It's a very little-known system.38100:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,400It was the first system you could change the gameplay experience with the cartridge.38200:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,240And I mentioned this because the military actually went ahead and contracted with them.38300:20:49,240 --> 00:20:56,840They got together in Fairchild after their failure in the game console market did almost38400:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,680exclusively military contracts.38500:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,440Oh, wow.38600:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,800I didn't know any of that.38700:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,760I kind of knew like nowadays they have, you know, like flight simulators and things, but38800:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,000I didn't think even way back then that they would be, because it's like, I don't think38900:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,000it's very practical.39000:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,960Were they using guns or were they using like little controls?39100:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,480They're using the little controls.39200:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,480Yeah.39300:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,840And there are these controls that were mapped to, you know, the commands in the game.39400:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,320Just like there are now, you can use a steering wheel and so on.39500:21:31,320 --> 00:21:37,800You can use a full-on helicopter mock-up cockpit and they do.39600:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,880These games, you know, were not necessarily games.39700:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,400They were adapted to military training.39800:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,400They were modified slightly, but the base of it was the game.39900:21:48,400 --> 00:21:54,240And then in 1984 there was a movie called The Last Star Fighter, where a teenager was40000:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,720playing a game that was covertly developed to recruit him as a soldier.40100:21:58,720 --> 00:22:06,600Now is aliens that had done it, but that storyline was there and it was bright for urban legend.40200:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,600Absolutely.40300:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,040It was in the public consciousness that the military and the government would be using40400:22:11,040 --> 00:22:18,840these video games against the sender various ways, but for themselves obviously to recruit40500:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,640trained civilians.40600:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,000That seems kind of crazy to me too, because they would have had to get any of the data40700:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000from people playing the game.40800:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,200The technology in the game would have had to be way more advanced than maybe they would40900:22:32,200 --> 00:22:38,680have had at the time to put like tracking information into an arcade game.41000:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,080Well that doesn't ever stop conspiracy theory.41100:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,840Yeah, that's true.41200:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,360But yeah, I agree with you.41300:22:46,360 --> 00:22:50,280My conspiracy theory on this, well it's not like my theory, I'm sure.41400:22:50,280 --> 00:22:57,520But I think it was aliens who put it there to, like you said with this other movie to study41500:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,520us.41600:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,880That's what I've always thought.41700:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,400It's a great idea.41800:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,640You would be able to identify which kids are going to grow up to be the worst alien killers41900:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,760and just eliminate them.42000:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,760That's true.42100:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,080You get the very good tactic.42200:23:14,080 --> 00:23:20,720The book 1984, all about government control and everything, well 1984 was coming and it42300:23:20,720 --> 00:23:28,320was, so it was very much in the public consciousness of the reaching government and all of that.42400:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,240It was just a perfect storm.42500:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,240Exactly.42600:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,640Do you think a legend like this could be born now?42700:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,640Yes.42800:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,960I suppose so.42900:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,720I mean there's crazy conspiracy theories that keep popping up every day.43000:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,360So why not?43100:23:45,360 --> 00:23:52,280I feel like everyone now is just so suspicious because of AI and everything is just it's fake,43200:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,840but it looks so real.43300:23:53,840 --> 00:24:00,600Yeah, there is a general distrust and a decline of faith in institutions, including those43400:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,160that bring us our facts and news and truths.43500:24:05,160 --> 00:24:11,480And if it was going to come out today, I think it would be related to like home gaming,43600:24:11,480 --> 00:24:17,160whether it's a streaming game or like a PlayStation game or something because so you know back43700:24:17,160 --> 00:24:22,160in the day, arcades were where everybody was playing their games and now so many people43800:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,560play at home that a more truthful conspiracy theory today would be one of these home played43900:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,560games.44000:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,560That is true.44100:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,880So no one be afraid to visit the arcade.44200:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,880That's right.44300:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,480No, but almost right.44400:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,560It's old tech.44500:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,760It's not that fancy.44600:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,160It can't watch you or anything.44700:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,640It can't get you.44800:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,160It's not tracking you.44900:24:44,160 --> 00:24:51,640If a version of Polybius was ever found and was playable and it did create all of these45000:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,240symptoms, everything was true.45100:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,760Would you play it?45200:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,760No.45300:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,760Good answer.45400:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,240I'd be very tempted.45500:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,760Me too.45600:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,640I would certainly watch somebody else play it first.45700:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,640Yes.45800:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,840Yes, have someone else be the test subject.45900:25:08,840 --> 00:25:15,060But yeah, you know, some of the things that just crush the legend itself is there's no46000:25:15,060 --> 00:25:20,120actual ROM sets that can be found.46100:25:20,120 --> 00:25:25,200There was an article on I think it's coin up thought order or something where they said46200:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,200they had a ROM set but they never shared it.46300:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,800So we've actually existed.46400:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,880So for listeners who may not know what a ROM set is, this is the actual software that holds46500:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,560the game program.46600:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,000And they are they had historically been stored on chips.46700:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,320These ROM chips that were then on the main board of these arcade games.46800:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,960And now, you know, the ROM codes for all these arcade games that we all know and love in46900:25:55,960 --> 00:26:02,320a bunch of deep cuts we don't is more or less preserved and can be reinstalled in new new47000:26:02,320 --> 00:26:08,800chips, app ROMs and they can go into the machine and help preserve it.47100:26:08,800 --> 00:26:16,000But again, you know, with the case of Polybius, the fact that there's no known ROM sets is deeply47200:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,000suspicious.47300:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,000Right.47400:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,160So there's that.47500:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,360There was a popular magazine at the time called Electronic Games.47600:26:24,360 --> 00:26:29,640And from 1981 to 1984, there was not a single mention of Polybius.47700:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,720There was no mention of the game in any mainstream news in the early 80s.47800:26:34,720 --> 00:26:42,120And you'd think if kids were really getting sick from these games and such quantities, like47900:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,400somebody would have said something on the news.48000:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,960It probably would have come up in one of these magazines.48100:26:46,960 --> 00:26:53,740The first online mention was in 1998 or maybe the early 2000s, some people speculate the48200:26:53,740 --> 00:26:57,720date on the article isn't really accurate.48300:26:57,720 --> 00:27:04,560But yeah, it wasn't until the 2000s that there's really any mention of Polybius at any kind48400:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,560of media or prancer.48500:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,560Yeah.48600:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,480It's BS y'all.48700:27:09,480 --> 00:27:17,520But if we jumped timelines like a Mandela effect situation, then there wouldn't be, right?48800:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,800It's funny that you say that because there's a story at the foundation of arcade 2084.48900:27:22,800 --> 00:27:28,780Or it's a time travel story. It would not be uncommon for arcades in the 80s for operators49000:27:28,780 --> 00:27:33,840to create a sci-fi motif and a little backstory for it.49100:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,040But audiences are a lot more sophisticated now.49200:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,000And the nerds are ruthless.49300:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,760So this narrative is really rich.49400:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,880And it contains multiple timelines as a time travel story.49500:27:48,880 --> 00:27:56,080And in the original timeline, Polybius exists and our antagonist, our villain, has changed49600:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,920history and removed Polybius among other dastardly events.49700:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,920I love that.49800:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,920That is so much fun.49900:28:03,920 --> 00:28:12,760And I love how the urban legend just keeps getting held up by like, so the original game50000:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,400supposedly was created by a company called Sinneslöschen.50100:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,440It's a German where I probably completely mess it up.50200:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,800But it's supposed to mean like sensory deprivation.50300:28:24,800 --> 00:28:31,200But what people say, it's a very clumsy word as if somebody went to a translation dictionary50400:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,200and tried to make a word.50500:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,200Yeah.50600:28:34,200 --> 00:28:42,680So Sinneslöschen, there in 2007 at Sinneslöschen.com, you can download a Windows game called Polybius.50700:28:42,680 --> 00:28:51,240In 2017, PS4 had a game, Polyvius 2013.50800:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,080There was a homebrew game for the Atari 2600 called Polybius.50900:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,920So even if it wasn't real before, they're making that game.51000:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,760Yeah, it's real now.51100:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,560Right, exactly.51200:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,760Maybe not with the mind control, but there are games called Polyvius now, which, again,51300:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,760maybe with the mind control.51400:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,640It makes the research murky, you know?51500:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,040It did exist.51600:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,360Well, Polybius games do exist, but, you know, yeah.51700:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,560In '81.51800:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,560Right.51900:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,320So what is your guys' favorite arcade game?52000:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,320Can you pick?52100:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,240I know it's probably a terrible question to ask.52200:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,560I like Gravitar.52300:29:35,560 --> 00:29:44,120This is a mid-80s Atari game, sort of a combination between Lunar Landr and Asteroids.52400:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,880The physics in the game are amazing.52500:29:46,880 --> 00:29:53,840You control a ship that you can direct the attitude of and thrust and firing, and you travel52600:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,120to different worlds on a two-dimensional plane.52700:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,240And in these worlds, you have to collect fuel, which is depleting.52800:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,480If you run out of fuel, even if you have, you know, three guys left, that's the end52900:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,480of the game.53000:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,880So the tactics you use to employ, you know, your ship's fuel, it's just as important as53100:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,880your weapons.53200:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,200It's a very difficult game, and it really crushes the spirit of most people.53300:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,560It makes almost no money, and it is just fantastic.53400:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,240That sounds really stressful.53500:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,760I'm feeling the bodily effects of the stress right now, and I'm not even playing it.53600:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,760Yeah.53700:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,760I can't stand that game.53800:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,640It's just so tough.53900:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,920I'm dead in 30 seconds, and I'm just like, I'm done, you know.54000:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,160Most games, it's like, okay, let me try another token and see if I can get better, but that54100:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,320one's just so difficult.54200:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,960Do you guys have that one?54300:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,960Yes, we do.54400:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,400Everyone goes try to play it.54500:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,400Yes.54600:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,080Shana, do you have a favorite?54700:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,960Um, a Tapper has been a favorite.54800:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,080It is so hard to choose.54900:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,680Um, I say Tapper, where you're a bartender that, you know, you have to serve beer to your55000:31:05,680 --> 00:31:12,160patrons and serve more beer down the bar than there are patrons.55100:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,440The mug falls off the bar and you leave it.55200:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,160Or if the patron gets to the end of the bar before you've given them a beer, they pick55300:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,160you up and throw you down the bar.55400:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,160Oh my god.55500:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,160Well, that's just fun.55600:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,760Do you guys have that one there?55700:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,760We do.55800:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,760Yes.55900:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,160Oh my gosh, I have to tell you.56000:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,000That's why I'm a Tapper.56100:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,160It's got the Budweiser logo and that ended up changing over time to root beer Tapper to make56200:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,160it more kid friendly and all of that.56300:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,440Yeah, that is sort of, but I guess that is surprising that they made a beer game for children.56400:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,680Well, the games are originally not for children.56500:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,240I mean, if you look at even the size of them, most kids need a chair to stand on.56600:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,400It is a broad misconception that our kids were and are for children.56700:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,000They're not necessarily children.56800:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,240And a lot of them, like the Chuck E. Cheese and even like the mall arcades, we're maybe56900:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920geared a little bit more to kids.57000:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,320And far more accessible, obviously.57100:32:10,320 --> 00:32:16,120Right, but these original standalone arcades were seen as like these very seedy places where57200:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,320people were dealing drugs and doing bad things and not for kids.57300:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,320Yeah.57400:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,840That is true because all the gambling stuff, that's right.57500:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,400There were even some towns that had ordinances.57600:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,960And it's really interesting if you, Eric did some research a while back looking through57700:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,160old newspaper articles.57800:32:37,160 --> 00:32:44,760And a lot of towns had laws where arcades could not be opened during school hours.57900:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,520And other such things.58000:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,920Parents just thinking, yeah, they were just full of drugs and bad things.58100:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,920It was a mean, yeah.58200:32:51,920 --> 00:33:01,720No, well, it came, the belief among the carons of the day came from, again, curls of truth.58300:33:01,720 --> 00:33:07,600And it's why we now believe arcades to be, there are preconceived notions that arcades are58400:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,600for children.58500:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,440They're broken, they're dirty, they're rip off joints, there's no good food, there's58600:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,000no good drink.58700:33:13,000 --> 00:33:23,760It comes from way back when these gaming parlors, billiards, pinball even, were in fact controlled58800:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,920by the mob.58900:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,400And Kramah was a little girl and she knew that those places were controlled by the mob.59000:33:31,400 --> 00:33:39,160And coming out of the 50s and 60s, pinball at its peak, there are lots of pinball places59100:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,800that still had a lot of crime going on.59200:33:41,800 --> 00:33:49,280It was that third place like bars that maybe were less frequented by the authorities.59300:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,000To be sure, there were narrative wells and things going on.59400:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,480But going into the late 70s with video games, the dynamic was a little different.59500:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,080Teenagers did like to go there, but there was far less drugs and crime than was suspected.59600:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,760And there was no longer any mob control to speak of.59700:34:11,760 --> 00:34:21,880But you can see how women were very concerned, maybe some men too, about the kids being in59800:34:21,880 --> 00:34:22,880these places.59900:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,160I'm glad we're setting all of these records straight right now.60000:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,160For real.60100:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,560And definitely, you guys have great food.60200:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,600It is nice in there.60300:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,320Like you said, it's clean, it's fun.60400:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,640I feel like everyone got it.60500:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,960We're really proud of the menu.60600:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,280The drinks as well.60700:34:42,280 --> 00:34:48,520We're bringing to bear just decades of experience in food service and hospitality.60800:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,280Because people deserve good food, good service, good drink and special products and special60900:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,200place and a friendly crew, they deserve it.61000:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,200And they're not getting it.61100:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,040They don't expect it with our kids.61200:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,160So the bar is low for better or for worse for us.61300:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,560Do you guys do any events at the arcade?61400:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,040Well every night, every day we're open every day.61500:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,040There's a special, the thirsty Thursday, for example, $5 drafts.61600:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,040karaoke.61700:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,680Yeah, $4 bottles.61800:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,680You've karaoke?61900:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,680Yes.62000:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,200Thursday’s are now karaoke night.62100:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,080But only songs from 1989 and earlier.62200:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,880Oh my God, I love that.62300:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,880That is amazing.62400:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,760Friday is fast times Friday.62500:35:29,760 --> 00:35:35,520That's where you can get some of my Nitro beverage line at a discount.62600:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,160Route 84 is a Nitro root beer.62700:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,080And there's a non-alcoholic version that was a huge hit for a couple of years.62800:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,560But a lot of guests would drop in a shot.62900:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,080And you get a great flavor profile with whiskey or vanilla.63000:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,800But the alcohol destroys the effervescence when you do that.63100:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,600So I've created the new, smooth and hard line and this has the alcohol right in in the63200:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,600brewing process.63300:36:01,600 --> 00:36:08,400So it's just head for days and it's an amazing draft root beer on tap.63400:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,400Oh my gosh.63500:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,840And Saturday is super shot Saturday.63600:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,600So we have our jealous shots and the big syringes.63700:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,720They come with bonus tokens.63800:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,240Sundays all day happy hour.63900:36:18,240 --> 00:36:19,240And then.64000:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,960Dollar up all food and drink on the menu.64100:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,240And then we do try to have other kinds of events eventually.64200:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,440We're going to get into doing some kind of tournaments, competitions.64300:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,200But see, this month alone we've got the Mrs. Roper romp.64400:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,640So not arcade related, but definitely 80s related.64500:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,400Two is a character from Three's Company.64600:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,600Who has this big curly red hair and wore these very colorful, they're called calf tans.64700:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200It's kind of like a big moomoo, big chunky jewelry.64800:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,520So everybody dresses up like Mrs. Roper and kind of bar hops.64900:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,520So we're doing that actually this Friday.65000:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,000And then we do paint nights from time to time, black light paint night.65100:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,000Oh my god.65200:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,760Yeah, do paintings with these phosphorescent paints that will glow under the black light.65300:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,280And yeah, and we're open to other kinds of events.65400:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,040You know, if anybody's got an idea for us, just hit us up.65500:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,520We'll see what we can fit in.65600:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,520That sounds like so much fun.65700:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,680I am so into that black light paint.65800:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,680Oh my gosh.65900:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,680That sounds great.66000:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,400You have a paint be support.66100:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,400Yeah.66200:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,400And of course we do private parties too.66300:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,400You can rent out the entire arcade.66400:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,400Oh, you can?66500:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,400Yes.66600:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,200Oh my gosh, that's so fun.66700:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,800Has anyone done that yet?66800:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,800Yes.66900:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,680Have you had a wedding there?67000:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,800No wedding is mostly birthdays, team building.67100:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,040It was cute even during Pete COVID.67200:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,320We opened July 2020.67300:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,320It was rough.67400:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,400You know, a lot of people couldn't come in and there was a period where nobody could come67500:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,400in.67600:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,440We're just afraid to be around other people.67700:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,000And we had this adorable couple who reserved the arcade just for themselves for a fun date67800:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,640night, just the two of them.67900:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,600That is so freaking sweet.68000:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,280I love that.68100:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,360As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows.68200:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,240So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week.68300:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,640Let show them some love.68400:38:19,640 --> 00:38:26,360Hi guys, I'm Courtney and I'm Lisa and we are the host of the Book of the Dead, a true68500:38:26,360 --> 00:38:33,160crime podcast based out of New Jersey where we tell you about the most obscure cases that68600:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,240you may have never heard of.68700:38:35,240 --> 00:38:39,280So join us in the Book of the Dead library for another chapter of the Book of the Dead68800:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,560wherever you get your podcasts.68900:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,720Bye guys.69000:38:43,720 --> 00:38:44,720You guys!69100:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,080We're back!69200:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,720And don't worry, we did get more wine.69300:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,720Well of course.69400:38:52,720 --> 00:38:57,480Well on our episodes, we usually do a tarot reading.69500:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,280How do you guys feel about tarot?69600:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,080A fun activity.69700:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,080Yeah.69800:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,080Yeah?69900:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,080Okay.70000:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,080You're not scared, right?70100:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,080Oh.70200:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,080It's just no science man.70300:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,080It's not a big deal.70400:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,080I agree.70500:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,960But some people are like, "Oh no, evil.70600:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,960We're gonna..."70700:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,960I have a stranger thing, Stack.70800:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,960I thought it would be perfect to you.70900:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,960Okay.71000:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,560So I'm giving it a couple of good shuffles here.71100:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,560Okay.71200:39:24,560 --> 00:39:33,200So I'm just gonna send me your Polybius vibes into the deck.71300:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,080I think we're gonna go with this one.71400:39:38,080 --> 00:39:45,400Okay. We got the five of strands, which is Wands I Believe.71500:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,880And I have my little interpretation book.71600:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,640I'm gonna find the page.71700:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,360I don't have all the cards memorized or anything.71800:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,360We're pretty good now.71900:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,720We've been doing it about almost three years now.72000:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,520So we're pretty good with our intuition with the cards, but we still always like to read72100:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,760the little interpretation.72200:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,760It's a big deck.72300:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,760A lot to learn.72400:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,760Yeah.72500:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,760Oh my gosh.72600:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,160I know the major arcana pretty well.72700:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,160Nerd.72800:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,360I am.72900:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,880I have so many tarot decks.73000:40:14,880 --> 00:40:15,880It's ridiculous.73100:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,880That's cool.73200:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,880That's kind of cool.73300:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,880Yeah.73400:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,880I like how I do that.73500:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,880And then I have a theme for like any topic.73600:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,880Perfect.73700:40:23,880 --> 00:40:29,760So there needs to be like a Pac-Man, you know, an arcade-game tarot deck.73800:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,760There should be.73900:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,640You guys should invent one.74000:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,360You should invent one.74100:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,880We can work on it together.74200:40:35,880 --> 00:40:36,880I know.74300:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,920I don't know a lot about arcade games.74400:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,320I know how to play Pac-Man sort of.74500:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,320There's patterns.74600:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,520Are you going to teach me secrets right now?74700:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,520Like that.74800:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,680There's a hiding spot in Pac-Man.74900:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,520There's no pause button on any of these games.75000:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,840So if you need to go take a pee break, you better hope you bought the asteroids branded diaper75100:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,720because you can't step away without losing your guy.75200:40:58,720 --> 00:41:03,800Well on Pac-Man, there's a place in the maze where you can tuck Pac-Man in there.75300:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,560The monsters won't bother him.75400:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,240But what if someone else comes and moves the little stick and moves them out?75500:41:10,240 --> 00:41:11,240Yeah.75600:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,240Is it a stick?75700:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,240Or is it a Piss-But?75800:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,520You take it with them behind the arcade.75900:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,520Take them out back.76000:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,520Yeah.76100:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,520Deal with...76200:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,280Talk to NATO or the UN or something.76300:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,280Okay.76400:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,760So for five of strands, which is ones, I double checked.76500:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,320Five of strands is like navigating Murkwood Forest with a dim flashlight.76600:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,360No matter how hard you try to find your way, you're surrounded by shadows and illusion throwing76700:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,160you off course.76800:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,160Although you may feel lost, remember that all you need is clarity.76900:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,120What is the source of your current conflict?77000:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,840Are you trying to solve the right problem?77100:41:51,840 --> 00:41:58,120As tricky as this card can be, it does indicate a great payoff if things can be resolved.77200:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,120Now it's just a matter of deciding whether you think it's worth it.77300:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,560Ooh, is that a threat?77400:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,960That's a good one.77500:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,960I feel slightly threatened.77600:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,440Maybe we shouldn't be trying to solve this mystery.77700:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,440Right?77800:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,400A plebeia is, yeah, don't be close.77900:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,200Yeah, I kind of think that's what it was saying.78000:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,200Oh, awesome.78100:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,600As a patriarchy, I do suggest we stop this immediately.78200:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,600Okay.78300:42:25,600 --> 00:42:32,320That is interesting, though, that it said it talked about illusion.78400:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,320Right?78500:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,680That was like so perfect for this game.78600:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,080I like the lights, too, kind of just remind me of the whole vibe of the, with all the lights78700:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,480in the arcade.78800:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,280So do we get any more cards?78900:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,280Can you hit us?79000:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,280Can you hit me?79100:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,280Do you want another card?79200:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,280We'll double down.79300:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,280Yeah.79400:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,280Let's do it.79500:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,280I don't know how to play.79600:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,280So.79700:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,560I just grabbed, I felt like grabbing the one just that was on the top right here.79800:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,880And it's the page of dice.79900:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,880Dice.80000:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,880Dice are swords.80100:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,880Ooh.80200:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,880Okay.80300:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,160Page of dice.80400:43:06,160 --> 00:43:13,440Will Byers is full of creative ideas from stories to game campaigns to exploring the world80500:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,480of science.80600:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,480Okay.80700:43:17,480 --> 00:43:23,720As the page of dice, Will is finding his voice and learning how to express himself.80800:43:23,720 --> 00:43:28,760His presence in your reading encourages you to pursue your ideas or consider new ways80900:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,160of communicating your thoughts.81000:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,160So which is it?81100:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,160Should we not pursue it?81200:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,160Should we pursue it?81300:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,160That was good.81400:43:35,160 --> 00:43:43,800That was, it literally says game campaigns like in science.81500:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,640I love it.81600:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,000I'm thinking of a shape right now.81700:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000What is it?81800:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000I don't know.81900:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000Triangle.82000:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000Oh my God.82100:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,600I'm going to miss a phenomenon.82200:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,880Thank you.82300:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,000I was just thinking of pizza because I'm hungry.82400:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,920It was a circle.82500:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,640It was a fucking circle.82600:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,640I was close.82700:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,200I was a fucking circle.82800:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,200That was very close.82900:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,440See, I am a witch.83000:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,680He said that pizza is a circle, but a slice of pizza is a triangle.83100:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,680Yeah.83200:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,680Yeah.83300:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,680So I was right.83400:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,680Everybody was right.83500:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,680Yeah.83600:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,680Okay.83700:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,200Well, do you guys have any last words?83800:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,840I did want to mention how urban legends sometimes can just flutter away as times change.83900:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,280But I love that this one stays in the public consciousness.84000:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,780And even if you don't know it's there, there's Easter eggs in all kinds of pop culture where84100:44:38,780 --> 00:44:40,400Polybius keeps showing up.84200:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,400So it was in the Simpsons, the Goldbergs, Nine Inch Nails video, Less Than.84300:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,560It's prominent in that one.84400:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,800There was a short live show called Dimension 404.84500:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,440It's got an episode all about Polybius, which I highly recommend.84600:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,960Loki in Season 1, Polybius was there.84700:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,600And some show called Paper Girls have never heard of.84800:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,800But Polybius shows up there, too.84900:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,800So.85000:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,800Wow.85100:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,080I feel like that's just going to cement the legend for way in the future.85200:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,480They're going to be like, look, it was real.85300:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,120It's in all of these old things.85400:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,120Right.85500:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,120And I think as people learn about it, you know, like you weren't necessarily there, but85600:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,120you learn about it.85700:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,520Like, oh, this is interesting.85800:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,320And then they put it in their movie or book or whatever.85900:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,760It's just going to keep going on, which is fantastic because it keeps arcade in the consciousness.86000:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,120Yeah, I agree.86100:45:29,120 --> 00:45:35,160So I had the opportunity to be at the Portland Retro Gaming Expo a weekend.86200:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,160Oh, fun.86300:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,160Yeah.86400:45:37,160 --> 00:45:45,960And I met some fellows that work on independent new arcade games.86500:45:45,960 --> 00:45:52,080And they have a number of titles that are hugely successful in barricades across the country.86600:45:52,080 --> 00:46:02,120And I plan to pick up one or two of those for our arcade to introduce new audiences to86700:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,840these old titles.86800:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,720These games, these guys are making are in the spirit of these original eight 16-bit games86900:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,080from the '80s.87000:46:12,080 --> 00:46:18,960The gameplay is on point as if the arcade phenomenon of the '80s didn't stop.87100:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,360They've really, really nailed it.87200:46:21,360 --> 00:46:28,920And I'm excited to be working with them also on a new Polybius game that will be at our arcade.87300:46:28,920 --> 00:46:29,920Oh, my gosh.87400:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,160I'm so excited.87500:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,360You have to let me know when it comes.87600:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,880I'm going to do like an opening day.87700:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,320We hope that every day people come along.87800:46:40,320 --> 00:46:48,800There's been since we opened up a contest to create Polybius as well as some arcade games87900:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,480in the style of the '80s and one with our own stories and narrative elements.88000:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,920But there have been no submissions in this entire time.88100:46:56,920 --> 00:47:03,840So I'm hopeful that working with these guys, we can act the rubber to the road and get these88200:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,840games rolling.88300:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,160And bring this urban legend to life.88400:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,160Yes.88500:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,600Oh, this is so exciting.88600:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,200I'm so glad to have you guys on.88700:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,200Yeah.88800:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,200Thank you so much.88900:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,200It's wonderful to be here.89000:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,840Thank you so much for your opportunity to talk to you.89100:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,000Yeah, absolutely.89200:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,600Do you guys have Instagram or Facebook or anything like that?89300:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,120A website?89400:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,120All three.89500:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,120Yeah.89600:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,120Website barthattimeforgot.com.89700:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,360That will swing you over to barthattimeforgot.com.89800:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,400That's our speakeasy style cocktail bar, board winning cocktails.89900:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,520And Instagram, @arcade_2084.90000:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,160Yeah, and I think our Facebook handle is bar timeforgot.90100:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,160Bar that timeforgot.90200:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,320I can't remember if there's underscores in it or not.90300:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,920Well, we'll link to the website and I'm sure that they can find you all from there.90400:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,920Excellent.90500:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,000Have a creepy ass day.90600:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,920See you in the future.90700:48:00,920 --> 00:48:07,640We won't have a tarot read video for our Patreon this week, but we will have a very special90800:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,040bonus episode, a whole episode for you guys.90900:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,840Oh, my gourd.91000:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,040Yes, so that will be released in place of a video.91100:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,040I'm very sorry.91200:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,440You won't see our beautiful faces.91300:48:20,440 --> 00:48:29,560Still, if you have any true crime, paranormal, witchy, or other creepy stories, maybe like91400:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,360any creepy video games you've played recently.91500:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,440Yeah, definitely that.91600:48:34,440 --> 00:48:40,440You should attention them too, Cassie.91700:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,920That'll be for our listener appreciation episodes, creepy people chronicles.91800:48:45,920 --> 00:48:54,800Email them to us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com or you can use the Google contact link in our91900:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,760episode description.92000:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,760Slash.92100:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,440Show notes.92200:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,560When you are always welcome to remain anonymous, if you have a story that maybe you're worried92300:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,120the men in black will come after you for.92400:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,120Oh, great.92500:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,600We don't want that to happen to you.92600:49:09,600 --> 00:49:17,280I wasn't worried about that, particularly, but after this episode you might be okay, great.92700:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,200It's fine.92800:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,560But they also don't have to be specifically from the Pacific Northwest.92900:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,560Yes.93000:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,560Yeah, let's focus on that.93100:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,760These great, pre-impressed that I said specifically Pacific.93200:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,760Oh, yes.93300:49:34,760 --> 00:49:43,320All of us on all of the socials, if you don't want to miss out on photos of the tarot cards,93400:49:43,320 --> 00:49:49,960our beautiful, alter setups and a lot of backstage shenanigans, unless the men in black93500:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,960are after you.93600:49:50,960 --> 00:49:56,360And therefore you have no time for shenanigans.93700:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,360None.93800:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,400And whatsoever.93900:49:59,400 --> 00:50:08,080Also this week's tarot card photos will not be with an alter, but they'll be very special.94000:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,320You can find our website and link tree in the description of this episode to check out94100:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,720all of the strange fun we have to offer. pnwhauntsandhomicides.com94200:50:15,720 --> 00:50:45,280Oh.94300:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,000Do you want to say it with me?94400:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,800You don't have to say the ass part.94500:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,600Oh, I'm into the ass.94600:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,280Okay, cool.94700:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,520We love the ass around here.