April 2, 2026

The Fenn Treasure: A Real-Life Hunt That Turned Deadly

The Fenn Treasure: A Real-Life Hunt That Turned Deadly
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A hidden treasure. A cryptic 24-line poem. The hunt that followed blurred the line between adventure and obsession—and in some cases, turned deadly.

In this collaborative episode with the Rainy Day Rabbit Holes podcast, we dig into the story of Forrest Fenn and the decade-long mystery that sent thousands into the Rocky Mountains searching for gold.

What begins as a story about curiosity and exploration quickly turns darker—with dangerous terrain, mounting controversy, and lives lost along the way. We break down the infamous poem, the clues that captivated a generation, and the question that still lingers: was this an ingenious puzzle… or something far more complicated? This is the story of a modern legend—and the questions that still refuse to stay buried.

We also acknowledge the lives lost during the search and approach this story with care.

Because even after the treasure was found, not everything was solved.
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Now I would like to read to you the poem.

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Oh please we go. Can we call it a riddle

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because that's funnier.

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It kind of is a riddle. Well yeah, it's supposed

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to be like you have to figure it out to

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lead you to the chest, and absolutely is a riddle.

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Riddle, Yeah, riddle me that. The thrill is the chase

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by Forrest ben As I have gone alone in there

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and with my treasures bold, I can keep my secrets

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ware and hint of riches new and old.

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Hi Cassie, Hi, Caitlin, Hi creepy people.

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Oh hello, Hi creepy people. Oh sorry, that creepy who's

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in our studio right now?

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Pretty on brand? Though creepy can't.

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See me, but you can hear me. You can't see me,

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but you can smell me. I'm a party ghost. If

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I come back as a ghost, I'm just gonna fart

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in people's presence. Oh my gosh, is it like the

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rotten egg? Kind like sulfur demon? You're gonna come back

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as a demon. My heart's smell me?

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Okay, okay, what does an amazing spark smell like?

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Does it? Because it probably doesn't smell like a roast beef.

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Of course it has to be something not.

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Like a flower. Well, this is not a fart podcast.

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This is PNW Haunson Homicides, And we do have guests

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with us today. We're actually in their studio. Uh so

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we're kind of crashing on them. This is Shay and

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Jody from Rainy Day Rabbit Holes. Hello, listeners, I'm Shay.

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That was Jody, I'm Jody. I'm Shay. Hello, I'm the

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farty one. Yeah, make sure you're clear on which one

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is that. There will be a quiz at the end,

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just not currently, okay, guys, Oh thank goodness, it's a

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small space.

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Yeah, yeah, could get real. Oh my goodness, are.

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We still doing tarot at the end of this? I

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get okay, cool because we do tarot in every episode,

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so that works well.

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And then there's the whole thing about how it makes shay.

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Croft don't make me cry today. Yeah, we'll just do

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it about the story. We won't do personal.

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There we go nailed it all right. The story of

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the Fenn Treasure begins with Forest Ben.

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We love spell.

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It's f O R R E S T f e

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n N.

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Okay, I just say the last name spell. But oh, Okay, well,

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I appreciate that though now we know.

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Forest as a first name can be spelled more than

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one way.

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That is, you could do our multiple rs. So is

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he a pirate? R?

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He was an art dealer, author, and Vietnam War veteran

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who became the architect of one of the most famous

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modern treasure huh in American history.

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He is a pirate kind of A yeah, a pirate.

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It's a good instinct treasure YEA, yeah, I'm excited. In

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twenty ten, Ben announced that he had hidden a bronze

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chest filled with gold jewels and rare artifacts somewhere in

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the Rocky Mountains.

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But for why, I really good question. I would like

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them to be more specific about the rare artifacts.

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Yes, is it a gold plated butt plug?

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Or These are the questions of our generation.

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And when when we're in the rock, like somewhere in

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the Rocky Mountains, that's all he tells you where they

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wouldn't have to make a map with little X on it.

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That's true. That would ruin all the fun, Joe, actual treasure,

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like a picture of a treasure chest, like you know

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what you see on the map?

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I mean that would be in keeping with sort of

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the traditional treasure map scenario.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for.

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Feels like the right thing to do. It's not what

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he's gonna do. Oh wow, okay, yeah yeah yeah. The

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estimated value of the contents of the chest a super

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casual one to two million dollars.

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Again, please be back to But for why did he

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just have money falling out of his ass? I you

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know it.

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Art dealer and author, you.

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Know maybe, yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

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Yeah. Possibly A cryptic twenty four line poem published in

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his memoir The Thrill of the Chase, Oh Boy, was

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the soul set of clues intended to lead searchers to

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the treasure. So this is the what or the WTF

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of the story. Well, so now I would like to

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read to you the poem.

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Oh please we go. Can we call it a riddle

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because that's funnier.

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It kind of is a riddle. Well yeah, it's supposed

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to be like you have to figure it out to

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lead you to the chest, And absolutely is a riddle.

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Yeah, riddle me that the thrill is the chase by

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Forrest ben As I have gone alone in there and

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with my treasures bold I can keep my secrets were

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and hint of riches new and old. Begin it where

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water's halt, and take it in the canyon down not

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far but too far to walk. Put it in below

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the home of Brown. Yeah no, it says below.

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Says below. Are you on your belly or are you

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on your back?

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This situation the home of Brown, The home of Brown,

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Home of Brown.

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Don't start inserting holes into.

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This, okay, sorry, yeah, okay.

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All of this seemed pretty above board until I had

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to say it out last.

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Yeah. Yeah, well, when you have fourteen year old boys

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as your co.

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Hot, yeah, what are you gonna do?

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It'll happen. There's some huge tits.

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Like instantly, both Shane and I were.

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Like, I like, she's already like like I knew it. Okay.

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From there, it's no place for the meet. The end

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is ever drawing nigh. There will be no paddle up

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your creek. Wow, just heavy loads and water high.

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Okay, because this is so bad, So you didn't you

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didn't hear this when you wrote it, like when you

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were doing when you were researching this, you didn't hear

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it the way we're hearing it.

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No, No, because I just I really was reading it

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for like each of the stanzas I'm gonna go through

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kind of like a really quick summary of like what

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it's supposed to kind of signify.

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And that's where my focus was. Treasure. You're yeah Brown,

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thinking of boom and now it's over, like we can't

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well and there might be a golden butt plug in.

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It makes I know, it makes it fits fits in

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the Brown home, the home of Brown. If it's real

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brag or almost doesn't fit, is that what's going for? Alright,

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let's keep going.

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No, we're only halfway through. Get it together. Okay. If

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you've been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down

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your quest to cease, but Terry scanned with Marvel gaze.

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Just take the chest.

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And go in peace. So why is it that I

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must go and leave my trove for all to seek

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the answers? I already know I've done it, tired and

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now I'm weak. So hear me all and listen good.

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Your effort will be worth the cold. If you are

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brave and in the wood, I give you title to

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the gold. Okay, So the first stanza is context. Allegedly,

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the next four stanzas are the actual clues.

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Okay, Okay, so we got our water, stop the brown

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stuff Home of the Brown. Yeah, you guys are in trouble.

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There was something about.

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A crevas ca yeah, okay, all right, all right, all right.

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The final stanza is confirmation slash instructions. Okay, why do

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you have to carefully take it?

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Get out so fast?

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That's a good question.

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That's a good question.

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Stanza one is context but not direction. This opening isn't

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part of the physical route. It sets the stage. Ben

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went alone, kept a secret and hinted at something both

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new and old. He had something borrowed and something okay,

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stands a two clues number one through four ish. The

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starting point names the home of Brown, likely a key landmark,

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but he doesn't identify it specifically.

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Most people avoid it, some go for it.

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Yeah, you guys are gonna feel like such as had.

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The leading theory is that brown equals brown trout.

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Oh okay, that makes sense, idiots. I was like, this

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is the third your.

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Brain, go right, hooligans. Brown trout are heavily stalked in

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rocky mountain rivers. Fish habitats are mapped and consistent. Okay,

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Home of brown equals where brown trout live.

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Okay, okay, nothing to do with butttholes so far, I

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don't know. I feel yeah.

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So the clue became an instructional guide. Go to a

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river or canyon and find a known brown trout area. Okay,

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stands A three clues five to seven. Into the wild,

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the terrain becomes more rugged. You'll encounter a creek you

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can't paddle that presents increasing physical challenges like elevation or

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rough water. Stands A four clues eight through nine. The

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final spot. Look down nearby to locate the treasure. Don't linger,

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retrieve it and get the fuck out, he said, leave yeah,

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bye bye.

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For why it's in a bear den.

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Oh that's a pretty good guess. They like those fishies.

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Yeah.

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Stands of five is motivation. Ben reflects on his reasons legacy, mortality,

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and the desire to inspire adventure. Stands A six final

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instruction slash conditions. The location is cold, wooded and requires

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some bravery. The finder earns rightful ownership of the.

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Tris if they survived the bear attack and the loads

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from the bear. I mean, I don't know the load

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where the loads oh man.

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Ben claimed that his motivations were multifaceted. He reportedly wanted

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to inspire people to explore nature, rekindle a sense of adventure,

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and step away from the increasingly digital world, A worthy cause,

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no doubt. As a cancer survivor, I think the other

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motive that he cited must have been particularly important to him.

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He also expressed a desire to create a legacy, something

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enduring that would challenge and excite generations. So now we've

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got our why.

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Okay, didn't sound like it. Why Yeah at the end

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it said it sounded like he was sick or something.

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Yeah, I mean at that point he'd already like survived.

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But I think it it just you know, it's kind

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of almost like not not exactly like a near death experience,

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but sort of like, Wow, this life changing event has

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put things in.

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Perspective for you.

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Yeah, yeah, I got it.

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Way, do something, Yeah, create something for He's like other people.

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You need to get out there, you need to live,

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You need to have adventure. Your life is too short

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to spend attached to Netflix or whatever. Go search for

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this thing. Yeah that's sweet, that's cool.

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I like that.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, weird yet?

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Yeah?

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But what out the wear?

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Because I know Jodie wants to know.

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I have to know we all want to know. I'm

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pretty sure it's a bear den Well.

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According to Fenn, the treasure was hidden somewhere north of

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Santa Fe at an elevation above five thousand feet but

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below the peaks of the Rocky Mountains. He insisted that

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it was not buried, okay, but rather concealed in a

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location accessible to a determined searcher.

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So was it one of those like big fake rocks

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that you would put a key, big like the one

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you put your like water meter under or whatever.

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Maybe it's a fake bear then, yeah, he said.

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Oh.

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Bear, I'm really going hard on that. I mean, in

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Japan they have animatronic wolves to scare off other wolves.

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So like smart an animatronic bear? Wow? I like this.

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I mean, now, you guys, you've got everything you need

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to go and find this doing it? Come on, how

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hard could it be?

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I have a bare bell, so we can do it.

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Oh?

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Yeah from Japan? Does it attract no way scares of okay? Yeah? Okay.

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Almost immediately the hunt captured public imagination. Thousands of people

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from across the United States, and eventually the world began

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attempting to decipher the poem online forums, blogs, and communities

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sprang up employers, some of them unhinged.

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Were you on Reddit? Oh yeah, yeah, I went.

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I found a couple of different blog sources, but Reddit.

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There's I believe, actually multiple subreddits that we're dead. Reddit

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for commentary, great ads are real, something new rabbit holes. Yeah.

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Also kind of ironic because he wanted people to get

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off right all there.

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Yep. So all of these communities sprang up, dedicated to

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interpreting each line and mapping possible locations. Some believed the

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clues pointed to specific landmarks such as rivers, canyons, or

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historical sites, while others, yeah, pear dead, while others thought

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the poem required abstract or symbolic interpretation. And I think

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that a poem that serves as the map to a

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literal treasure, Treasure Hunt probably seeks to strike a balance

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between the two. I argue, right, no, yeah, because you can't.

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It can't all be like left at the you know.

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Starbuck Well, there'd be no fun with that, yeah, right,

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So challenge to that.

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There's got to be a little bit of like metaphor

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something in there, you know. From the outset. There were skeptics.

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Some questioned whether the treasure even existed, while others criticized

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the ambiguity of the clues, which seems like a skill issue.

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It's not smart enough to figure it out, yeah.

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Which I mean, granted it is. You know, it wouldn't

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be an easy puzzle to solve.

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Well, a treasure worth a million something dollars, right, yeah,

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you're not going to be like okay and right yeah,

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like so like within fifteen minutes of this being released,

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somebody's out there and found it and be like exactly, yeah, exactly.

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Despite this, the hunt continued to gain momentum, evolving into

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a cultural phenomenon that blurred the line between puzzles solving

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an obsession.

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That is a that is a theme in all any subreddit. Well, no,

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like seeking out Like it's like, for instance, Bigfoot hunters,

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like they become sewing and into it that they forget

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they have families and drags and becomes their entire personality,

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right kind of like podcasts. Yeah, that's what we do now,

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it's our personality.

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Yeah, basically yeah, I mean could be worse.

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Yeah, couldn't be a whole we could be right winger podcast.

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I was gonna then we would get we would get

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a job, Then we'd get paid, and then we could

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take we could take jets wherever we go. Yeah, there

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you go, we get steak and lobster. Yeah, that we

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are doing it wrong.

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Ben maintained that anyone with determination and cleverness could find

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the treasure. He also released occasional hints and statements over

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the years, though these often deepened the mystery rather than

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clarifying it. Which is an oil as fuck. It's sort

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of like an alice in wonderland vibe like did you

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give me any actual information?

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Yeah.

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The combination of tangible reward, intellectual challenge, and romantic adventure

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proved irresistible to many. As the year past, the search

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for the Fend Treasure intensified. Estimates suggest that more than

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three hundred thousand people participated in the hunt. Wow at

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some point.

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A lot.

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Yeah, it's a lot.

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The rockies be packed, right, hopefully it's like trails.

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I know, no, can I get to that. I'm just

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predicting your story. I already know it's a bear. Okay,

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tell me after the Breakwow, Okay, all right now, I'm

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ready how to break?

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Searchers, often referred to as bend seekers, came from all

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walks of life, including retirees, students, engineers, and outdoor enthusiasts.

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Many invested significant time and money into their quests, traveling

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repeatedly to remote areas in hopes of solving the poem

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the riddle.

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It's like crazy geocashers. Yes, exactly, I've got I have

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a friend that travels the world doing geocashing. Wow, that's dedication,

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truly our obsession. Yeah, part might be part of her personal.

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We did say it would blur the lines. The hunt

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fostered a strong sense of community among participants. Online discussion

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boards read it, and social media groups became hubs for

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collaboration and debate. Some searchers share detailed theories, maps, and

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even step by step interpretations of the poem.

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But why would you do that?

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Well, okay, so she's the other camp, while others guarded

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their ideas closely, fearing that revealing too much could cost

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them the Yeah.

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If you've spent all this time and effort, why would

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you then be like.

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Look, everybody, I think I served it, don't get there

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before me. That's what you put out there when you

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want to put people on the wrong.

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In Arizona.

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Yeah, well, I mean by virtue being in the rockies.

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I think, Yeah, I mean, you could just put somebody

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off just by putting them on the wrong creek or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it doesn't even have to be the wrong.

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Yeah, exactly. Despite the camaraderie, the hunt also had a

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darker side. I'm sure black bear murder. The ambiguity of

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the clues led some individuals into dangerous terrain, including steep cliffs,

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rushing rivers, and remote wilderness areas. Tragically, at least five

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people lost their lives while searching.

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For the treasure. Wow.

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These debts prompted calls from law enforcement and families of

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victims to end the hunt.

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Yeah.

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Authorities in states like New Mexico and Colorado urged Ben

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to call it off, citing the risks involved. Ben, however,

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maintained that the treasure was hidden in a location that

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did not require dangerous climbing or extreme risk.

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So stop doing that.

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Yeah, so don't do that, he said.

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He was like, I can't be responsible for other people.

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I don't know, right, not find a bear? Dun dangerous?

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A million dollar question A love.

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He emphasized that those who ventured into hazardous areas were

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misinterpreting the clues. Nevertheless, critics argued that the very nature

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of the hunt encouraged risky behavior, especially among those convinced

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they were close to solving it.

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Yeah, two of them show up together, and one of

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them's got a gun.

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Right I mean or Additionally, there were incidents of illegal

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digging and trespassing, including a notable case in which a

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treasure secret damnag protected land in Yellowstone National Park while searching.

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They're going to be cursed.

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Same idiot that probably goes to try and pet a buffalo.

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Yeah, yeah, it's kind of a vibe.

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Yeah.

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The hunt had broader cultural implications as well. It reignited

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interest in treasure hunting as a hobby and inspired similar

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hunts around the world. It also highlighted the power of

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storytelling and mystery in the digital age, demonstrating how a

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single poem could mobilize hundreds of thousands of pep Wow. So,

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if you've made it this far, I have kind of

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good news bad news situation for you. In June twenty twenty.

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Yeah, no, I know what was happening then.

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Okay, just making sure we're all on the same page.

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It was safer to be outdoors. Yeah yeah, fires, yeah, yeah,

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that was that bad year. I got evacuated here.

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Oh you know, I don't know if there was in

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Yellowstone specifically. Yeah, that'd be interesting to look at. In

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June twenty twenty, after a decade of speculation and searching,

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forrest Ben announced that the treasure had finally been found.

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Yeah all it, Dick was a little pandemic. You know,

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people work time.

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That makes sense.

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Yep, yep, yep, yep. The discovery was made by an

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unnamed individual who chose to remain anonymous at the time.

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I don't think I think that should have been a stipulation.

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You're not going to be able to right, Well, the

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lottery you.

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Have to exactly. Yeah, which actually I'm in supportive if

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you win the lottery, I would want to win it

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in a state where they let you remain for sure.

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Ye.

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Well, there's so many people.

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I mean, there's actually a very famous case of a

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guy who was murdered after winning lottery.

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And yeah, it's not a good. It's not a good.

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You don't want to you don't want to tell anybody. No,

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but there will be signs, yeah, but there they'll be

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hard to see because I'll stop caring about money and

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I'll buy whatever I want and then you'll just think

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it's just a normal day. Then I have to go

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work more hours. Yeah, that'll be the party. It's different.

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Ben confirmed that the finder had sent him photographic evidence

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of the chest and its contents, verifying its authenticity. It's

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let's see, yeah, pigsure, it didn't happen.

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You have to know what this is used for if

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you want it.

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It's just some sort of paperweight.

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Yeah, it was my grandpa's.

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Yeah.

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Oh gosh.

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The announcement brought an abrupt end to the hunt, but

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did not provide closure for many of its participants. The

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lack of details about the location and the identity of

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the finder fueled skepticism and frustration.

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Like he just called it quits after so many years

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of he just called it an and on. Uh, we

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didn't know where it was, Like, they never disclosed where

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they found it.

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Well, we're gonna get like, where's where I of course,

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of course I'm gonna I'm gonna.

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Tell there was no treasure that was I was about

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to say. It was like from the beginning, I was like,

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this is a hoax, right, this has got to be

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a hoax.

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Does not seem to be Oh okay, okay, I don't know,

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remain open minded.

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Okay, I will try my best.

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Some searchers refused to believe that the treasure had truly

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been found, while others demanded transparency. Later that year, the

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finder was revealed to be Jack Stuff or stuff I

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don't know. I'm not really sure, sorry, Jack, a medical

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student and former journalist from Michigan. Hmm, stuff and stuff.

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That's German.

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German eventually shared that he had spent years analyzing the

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poem and had identified a location in Wyoming's wilderness. However,

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he chose not to disclose the exact spot, citing concerns

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about environmental damage and the potential for overcrowding. He's like,

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y'all were kind of assholes while you thought the money

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was still available.

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Yeah, I'm sure there was a lot of people just

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like treating the wilderness like they do their own homes,

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throwing trash on the floor, which I've seen. Oh yeah, but.

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Who would need to go there if it's not there? Well,

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it's like a photo lot, I guess, just.

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To see, Yeah, just to make sure that the fake

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rocket was under Yeah, exactly, that's the bar dun.

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And there are theories about like a more precise location,

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but we don't know exactly where it was discovered, so

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could be a barda.

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So we still don't even know that. I'm pretty sure

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it was.

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I believe you. If it was, it's probably a fake

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burden with a fake treasure.

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But stuf and stuff revelation did little, did little to

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quell controversy. Many searchers felt that the secrecy undermined the

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spirit of the hunt, which they believed should have culminated

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in a clear and verifiable solution. Others questioned whether the

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clues and the poems were sufficiently precise to lead to

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a single location, suggesting that the hunt may have relied

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more on persistence and luck than pure logic, which I

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feel like is.

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Pretty it was fairly broad. Yeah.

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Ben himself passed away in September twenty twenty.

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Oh just minutes later, right, just a few months. I

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was about to say he was just waiting for somebody

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to find it so he could grow. Yeah.

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Yeah, And I chose not to pull it this thread,

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so I didn't put it in my notes. But uh,

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it's I saw some some some things that it may

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be the heat had died by his own hands.

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Oh no, which, if that's it, I was.

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Like, I don't want to know that.

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Yeah.

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If that's the case, it's like, oh shit, yeah no,

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he really was just hold on for some of your fun.

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Oh that's right, that it's fluff and stuff. Yeah, I know,

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what was his name? Stuff and stuff, stuff and stuff.

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That's right, went and found it.

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I know. But you feel like kind of an ass Yeah.

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Right, And I would except for not something million dollars,

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I'd get over it.

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I guess.

481
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.680
Well, and if it was worth one point something million

482
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:48.920
dollars when he put it in in like twenty ten

483
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.279
and twenty twenty, it was worth you know.

484
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:57.279
Its highest valuation, from what I understand, was approximately two millions.

485
00:28:57.279 --> 00:28:57.480
Wow.

486
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.720
So yeah, so you know, over the core of roughly

487
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.400
ten years, it sounds like probably doubled its valuation. Just

488
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:06.200
super cool.

489
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.079
Yeah. Yeah.

490
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.079
His death marked the end of an era and further

491
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.680
complicated efforts to fully understand the Hunt. Without fen to

492
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.759
provide definitive answers, many questions about the poem and its

493
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:26.359
intended interpretation remain unresolved. In the aftermath, the long awaited

494
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.960
treasure chest and its contents were sold. The chest, once

495
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:35.319
a symbol of mystery and adventure, became a collectible artifact

496
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:41.079
tied to a unique moment in modern folklore. The legacy

497
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.400
of the Fen Treasure Hunt is complex and multifaceted. On

498
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:49.400
one hand, it succeeded in achieving many of Fenn's stated goals.

499
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.960
It inspired countless people to explore the outdoors, engage in

500
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:58.039
critical thinking, and embrace a sense of adventure. Get the

501
00:29:58.039 --> 00:29:58.759
fuck outside.

502
00:29:59.000 --> 00:29:59.200
Yeah.

503
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:05.640
Yes. For many participants, the journey itself, rather than the treasure,

504
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:10.319
was the most rewarding aspect of the experience, which sounds

505
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.200
like something that uh, you know, second, third, and fourth place.

506
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:23.839
Yeah right. Did you have fun camping? Yeah? Yeah, that's true.

507
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:24.160
Yea.

508
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.559
Honestly, it doesn't just get you to yellow Stone then you.

509
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:33.519
Go fuck yourself, but nature the treasure. Yes.

510
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:40.799
The hunt also became a significant cultural phenomenon, spawning books, documentaries, podcasts,

511
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.359
and online communities. It demonstrated the enduring appeal of treasure

512
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:50.279
hunts and the human fascination with hidden will and unsolved mysteries.

513
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.880
The story has since been revisited in various media, including

514
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:01.680
television adaptations that explore both the excitement and the controversies

515
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:06.720
surrounding the hunt. At the same time, the darker aspects

516
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.200
of the hunt cannot be ignored. I mean you could,

517
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.480
but then you'd just be an asshole. The deaths of

518
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:18.000
several surgers, along with instances of illegal activity and environmental damage,

519
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:23.680
highlight the risks associated with such endeavors. And didn't you

520
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.920
just can't trust the public. No, no, no, it's dick road.

521
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:29.039
Don't be a dick.

522
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.839
They're always going to be Dick's are going to dick.

523
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:37.359
Dicks be dicking, you know, they're just digging around. Critics

524
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.200
argue that the hunt lacked sufficient safeguards and that Fenn

525
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.400
underestimated the links to which people would go in pursuit

526
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.960
of the treasure, which is very true.

527
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:47.400
Yeah, that's true.

528
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.400
I was kind of surprised that law enforcement didn't, like,

529
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.839
kind of take firmer action on the situation.

530
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.200
But I guess I don't know what else they do

531
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:01.640
or like that people, the forest rangers and the people

532
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.400
that have to go out and rescue people is happening,

533
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.160
or or manage the area that you've trapesed on and ruined.

534
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:11.119
You have to come clean that up. You'd think that

535
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:12.559
they would have put a step to it.

536
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.079
But you know, at the same I say that, but

537
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.680
then I'm like how though, how did they do that? Yeah,

538
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.119
and it's it's like, what are you going to?

539
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.720
Well, you could get Fen to come out and say

540
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.039
maybe a little more guidelines.

541
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:28.559
Or or that is really his bad.

542
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.440
Real the drama.

543
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:37.200
The unresolved nature of the poem continues to intrigue and

544
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:43.160
frustrate enthusiasts even after the treasure's discovery. Debates persist about

545
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.640
the correct interpretation of the clues, which seems like get

546
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:48.440
a life, nerd.

547
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:49.680
Yeah it's over.

548
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.839
No, I mean I think it's still interesting, but yeah,

549
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.200
it's kind of like, gods, they found the treasure, so

550
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.160
I don't know if move on, It might be time

551
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:02.720
to move on. Some believe that multiple solutions were possible. Actually,

552
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.000
I feel as though that may be inaccurate because I

553
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:07.640
think there was only one treasure chest.

554
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.839
Yeah it was if it was in one place, especially

555
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:10.920
one solution.

556
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.200
Think I think just the one. But what do I know?

557
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:18.119
While others argue that the poem was intentionally designed to

558
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:27.079
be an ambiguous which yeah, no shit, sure. Yeah. In

559
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.359
a broader sense, the Fend Treasure reflects the power of

560
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.079
narrative in shaping human behavior. A single story combined with

561
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:38.279
a tangible reward was enough to mobilize a vast and

562
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:43.200
diverse community, a lot of people, that people. It also

563
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:47.079
underscores the role of the Internet in amplifying such phenomena.

564
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:48.640
I love that word.

565
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:55.920
Enabling collaboration, speculation, and obsession on a global scale seems

566
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.279
super healthy. I don't think that that will become problematic

567
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:04.839
at any Ultimately, the Fen Treasure Hunt stands as a

568
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:10.400
modern legend, part adventure, part cautionary tale. It captured the

569
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:14.039
imagination of a generation and left behind a legacy that

570
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:18.199
continues to be debated and analyzed. Whether viewed as a

571
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:23.239
brilliant act of inspiration or a controversial experiment, it remains

572
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.159
one of the most remarkable treasure hunts in history, and

573
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:33.280
the story still attracts renewed interest, especially with the release

574
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:39.719
of the Netflix documentary series, Oh Golden Greed, The Hunt

575
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:41.079
for Fends Treasure Out.

576
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:45.000
Oh, I will have to keep my eye out. Isn't

577
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.679
that so it's out? Now? Yeah?

578
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:47.000
I went.

579
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:49.280
I Actually I meant to look and see because it

580
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.840
sounded like it was a more recent dog, which it

581
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.400
would have to be, right, because it's all about the

582
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:58.239
hunt and it was discovered in twenty twenty. Yeah, will

583
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.039
I I don't know this for sure, but I think

584
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.320
that I remember seeing something about it coming out in

585
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:05.559
like twenty twenty five, which is like, why do it

586
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.039
take you five years to make it? But whatever?

587
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:08.519
You know?

588
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:11.880
So Golden Greed? Is that what you said?

589
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.440
Ensure? Because we also watched a good documentary on Netflix.

590
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:21.960
Oh my god, I can't remember what it was called

591
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:28.239
Death and Murder and Monica or wait that lady. At

592
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:29.800
first we were like we love her, and then by

593
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.320
the n we're like, she's problematic. Spoiler alert. Oh sorry,

594
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:34.559
you don't know what lady?

595
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:35.679
You don't even know a lady?

596
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.880
No, But once I know, I'll probably know. Okay, well,

597
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.400
it's definitely out gold and Greed, the Hunt for Friends

598
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.320
Treasure is it's been out since twenty twenty five. There's

599
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:50.360
three three episodes. Okay, we'll have to watch these characters

600
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:54.400
look a little. Oh but it's gonna be interesting. Yeah,

601
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:56.000
and I'll think I might have to get Netflix.

602
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:56.119
Now.

603
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.639
Wow, all right, are we do in some Taro?

604
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:01.000
Oh?

605
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.039
I can't wait. I love Taro. It's Northwest tarot nice.

606
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:09.840
I wonder what we're going to get the brand new

607
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:12.920
They look brand new? No, they're pretty you use them.

608
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.320
They're pretty.

609
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.480
It takes such good care of them. And they've just

610
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.960
gotten lucky because whenever we've accidentally spilled wine on the desk,

611
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.280
they have not been in striking just this.

612
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.239
Good way because they're blessed, yea blessed them.

613
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.960
Yeah, oh yeah, I haven't.

614
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.000
Touched these in so long? How are you? I missed you?

615
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:38.159
My hands are sweaty. Who wants to touch them?

616
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:38.559
Next?

617
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.480
Just tell me, like in like what vicinity are you

618
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:43.880
feeling like.

619
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:47.880
Over the middle right where you're your your pointer finger

620
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.639
is your index finger? Yeah? That one interesting? Okay, okay,

621
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.360
It's not a bear. It's not a be a bear

622
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:57.800
in the den.

623
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.800
It is a very like very spark salamanders or something.

624
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:05.400
It's eight of cups. That was I love. Your cards

625
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.320
are just beautiful. They're really pretty. Those look like it

626
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:08.719
could be.

627
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:10.639
Well, I was goot to say, these are golden cups

628
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:14.239
the treasure and and if you're out in the desert,

629
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:15.719
if that was a heel of monster.

630
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.599
It isn't like in a river or something. It looks

631
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:20.480
like some water.

632
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:25.039
Well one if you guys just google, did Forrest ben

633
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:26.920
die by suicide?

634
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:27.400
Yeah?

635
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:29.199
Do we have to know? Is it in the card.

636
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:33.679
Oh oh, that is interesting. No, Forrest Ben did not

637
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:35.760
die by suicide. Okay.

638
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.000
The author and art dealer died by natural causes at

639
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.480
his home in Santa Fe, New Mexico, September seventh, twenty twenty,

640
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.239
at the age of nine zero. Okay, wow, okay, that's good.

641
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:49.639
He died of old. I was like, damn, that was

642
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.199
that's many birthdays.

643
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.679
I just like, part of me was like, this could

644
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.800
be really important to the story, like I should into

645
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:03.559
whether or not he died by But part of me

646
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.800
was like, he was a cancer survivor. It's just too

647
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.960
sad to think about them. After his treasure is discovered,

648
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.480
then it's like, oh, it put him over the edge

649
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:14.719
and he died by.

650
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:16.880
Well, I was thinking like maybe if it came back

651
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.400
is what I was thinking, Like, if his cancer came

652
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:20.960
back or something.

653
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:22.320
Yeah.

654
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.719
True. That again, yeah, will go through my head.

655
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:27.519
Some of these heint nobody had time for that.

656
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.800
I'm good, which is very sad, but it happens a lot.

657
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:32.519
Okay.

658
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:40.719
Eight of cups. Our keywords are turning away, cutting, losses, decline, dejection,

659
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:42.440
and seriousness.

660
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:45.480
Yeah.

661
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.480
This card often pictures a person with his or her

662
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:53.199
back to us. Walking away. Sometimes a waning moon overhead

663
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:58.559
symbolizes decrease when the aid of cups appears. A situation

664
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:04.000
has become untied and you have decided to turn your

665
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:04.559
back on.

666
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.400
It, like leaving a treasure and walking away, letting it,

667
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:12.639
or like finally giving up on the hoax, maybe making

668
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.480
up somebody finding your treasure.

669
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.639
My God, Shay, I need you to believe in Sorry,

670
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:24.960
right now, you must strike out in another direction. I

671
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.280
feel like this could almost be symbolic of the people

672
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:27.920
that were.

673
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.159
Following Oh yeah, you know, searching.

674
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.159
Okay, So our interpretation says you wish things had turned

675
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.559
out differently, but you can't salvage a matter, and you

676
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:44.559
realize you must abandon it. Abandon it. It's time to

677
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.039
let go and get out of this situation that has

678
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:53.199
failed despite your best efforts. Move ahead with determination, find

679
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.159
a new direction, and learn from your experience.

680
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.239
I'm gonna guess I could be a treasure hunter, being like,

681
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.440
all right, I've been out here for three weeks about it.

682
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.559
I'm going to go home for a while. And this

683
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.679
whole time that was popped in my head is our

684
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.000
conversation we had before we even recorded.

685
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:09.480
About our podcast.

686
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:11.480
Oh I do.

687
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:15.000
We talk about Yeah, find a new direction.

688
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:23.440
It was going to be it works. Pay cards, We said,

689
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:27.760
this is not a personal reading. Yeah, cards do with

690
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:28.280
cards do?

691
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:28.719
Yeah?

692
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:29.159
They do.

693
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.599
In a reading about money, an investment hasn't paid off,

694
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:34.920
or you've lost money through no fault of your own,

695
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:40.079
except perhaps not seeing things accurately, not.

696
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.440
Reading the riddle right r get to the bare den,

697
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.280
the right bear den. That's right, they went to the

698
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:51.280
wrong one. Cut your losses and conserve your resources. If

699
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.000
the reading is about your job, the aid of cups

700
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.119
may recommend pouring your heart and soul into an endeavor.

701
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.480
Don't let distractions throw you off course. Sometimes this card

702
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.079
advice is leaving a job that no longer interests you.

703
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.599
In a reading about love, this card can mean ending

704
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:11.320
a relationship that's lost its spark. Conversely, it may show

705
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.199
you getting serious about a partnership, giving it your all.

706
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:19.360
You're no longer interested in casual flings. And there's an

707
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:24.440
extra excerpt. WHOA, that's interesting. What it is? It is?

708
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:25.159
What it is.

709
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:29.440
When you most feel like holding on to something, it

710
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.480
is usually the best time to let go. And that

711
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.000
is from a happy pocket full of money.

712
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.000
Oh, that's interesting. Wow.

713
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.039
Maybe you know, I feel like the cards were picking

714
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.280
up a vibe from the episode and maybe some other

715
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:50.440
things interesting. Okay, should I read this little poem?

716
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:51.320
It's a poem.

717
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:54.519
It goes with it. Actually, I don't know if it's

718
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:55.960
a poem. I just like to call them poems.

719
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.760
I mean they do kind of read like little poems.

720
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.639
Those are northern alligator lizards, by the way.

721
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:02.559
Wah oh.

722
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.159
The keywords are walking away, abandonment, disappointment, leaving something behind,

723
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:11.159
and moving on. So very similar to what was in

724
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.719
the book. The alligator lizard shed her past self like

725
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.000
a ghost behind her.

726
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:16.440
Oh.

727
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.440
That skin had served her well. It had gotten her

728
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.920
through plenty of scrapes and taken quite a few in

729
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:26.639
the process. It had camouflaged her against the forest floor,

730
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.440
protecting her from sharp eyed hawks. It had insulated her

731
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.119
as she basked on the sun dappled stones. But now

732
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:38.280
it felt tight, it felt restrictive. She itched to be

733
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.920
rid of it. She had outgrown it, and so she

734
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:44.000
stepped out of it, cast it aside. It no longer

735
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.960
served her. She moved on, more vulnerable to the thorns

736
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.719
and needles around her, but no longer constrained.

737
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:56.199
By who she used to be interesting, that was a collective.

738
00:42:58.519 --> 00:42:59.760
So that's her.

739
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:01.519
Skin left behind in the car.

740
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:02.320
Oh god.

741
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:06.400
It has a very Southwest vibe in a way. Yeah,

742
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:06.719
it does.

743
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:10.000
And it's interesting because he lived in Santa Fe.

744
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.159
It reminds me of like him shedding his treasure and

745
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.840
leaving it behind for someone else to find while he

746
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:19.519
moved on.

747
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.000
Yeah, that's a really interesting point.

748
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:29.320
Yeah, maybe four podcasters like the Shepherd the way they're doing. Yeah,

749
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.559
any thoughts, any other things. It was a good story.

750
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:34.360
It was a good story. It's a great story.

751
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.599
And I love the tarot piece. I love it.

752
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:37.840
That's always.

753
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:45.239
Have a day and see it down the rabbit hole.

754
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:55.559
There's my ear suffocate during yeahs. Yeah, well, I know

755
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.119
you're you don't breathe your ears. I don't know if

756
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.960
you know this the skin does. Maybe you don't skin breathe.

757
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.920
I know you're a healthcare professional at Allience, so I

758
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.800
can confirm skin breathe and it is not breathing. She's

759
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.599
got to get the air flow between the ears, because

760
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.960
you know, yeah, air just the problem is I've got

761
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:20.199
too much in there blocking the flow. Yeah. Wait, are

762
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.679
you saying that there's only air in between that's what

763
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.480
I imagine. I imagine that the two headphones on is

764
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.119
keeping the air from moving directly through her head because

765
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:31.000
there's nothing in there.

766
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.760
That's exactly. I was like, is this going to roll over?

767
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:36.400
Everyone said that's fine, I don't need to put it.

768
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:38.840
And Jody said, no, I'm coming up with a totally

769
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:43.039
time I have the other answer, there's too much brain.

770
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.400
She was like, mashing it out her.

771
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:47.920
Well, then you should be happy to have mine to

772
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:53.880
keep it from leaking out. Brainal leakage, leakage