Feb. 19, 2026

Mel's Hole of Mysteries

Mel's Hole of Mysteries
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This episode originally aired in three parts - now conveniently edited down to one for your listening pleasure!

Today we’re going to talk about a very mysterious hole, known as Mel’s Hole. Who is Mel, and what is so special about his hole? On Feb 21st 1997, a self described Willie Nelson Doppelgänger named Mel Waters, contacted radio talk show “Coast to Coast with Art Bell.” Five phone interviews over the course of 5 years detailed a bewildering tale with many peaks and pits!
 
Extended versions: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
 
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Mel became so curious about his hole you can even

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say a whole obsession was born Jesus. So he started

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to experiment with this whole, trying to answer the burning,

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itching questions. How deep is it? Is it wet inside?

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Was it clogged up with decades of waste? Or was

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something paranormal happening to all the junk inside? All that

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junkin is trump.

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Mel was a simple man. He liked throwing shit in

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a hole.

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Hi, Caitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi, creepy people, Hello, this is

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PNW Hanson homicides. Today we're going to be talking about

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a hole, but not just any old hole. This here

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is Mel's hole. Shut up. Yes, So who is Mel?

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And what is so dang special about it? Whole? Oh,

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all right, you're gonna learn. February twenty first, nineteen ninety seven,

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a self described Willie Nelson doppelganger named Mel Waters faxed

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a radio talk show fax He faxed it was nineteen

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ninety seven. Yeah, I don't remember when faxes stopped being

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a thing.

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I mean, not nearly long enough ago.

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Yeah.

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I feel like I'm having a bit of a panic attack.

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Responds to my complex PTSD related to literally being tortured

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in office environments faxing machines.

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They still do faxing, right, I mean it's still possible. Yeah,

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it's still a thing. Why would you not just email? Yeah?

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I don't know.

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Tangent.

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It happens around here, it does.

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This was late night show for anything paranormal and or

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conspiracy theories called Coast to Coast with Art Bell. Okay,

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I don't know if you've heard of it.

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I haven't.

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Apparently it's a pretty popular It was on AM radio.

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It was a pretty popular show, yea. And people would

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call in with their I don't want to say crazy

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stories because that makes me sound judgy, but like kind

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of like the stuff I talk about on yeah show,

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just kind of wild stuff. Yeah. You know. Art was

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so intrigued by Mel's deep story that he got him

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on the phone to talk about it on air.

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Oh my goodness.

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Five phone interviews over the course of five years detailed

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a bewildering tale with many peaks and pits. Get ready

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for a lot of whole references. Great, a whole lot

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of whole references. Mel tells of his property in the

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Nastache just west of Ellensburg, Washington. Ooh, do you know Ellensburg. Yeah, oh,

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I know. This is in central Washington, a little over

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one hundred miles southeast of Seattle. On this land is

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a hole that reminds me of that song there's a

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hole on a log? What is it?

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Oh?

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God, you know that. I know the song that I

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keeps going with, the yeah frog on the log and

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the hole in the frog. Yeah.

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No, it's I literally like you could have a gun

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to my head right now, and I don't think I

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could recite that one, but I know exactly what you're

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talking about.

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Someone send us a video of them singing that song

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so we know how it goes. That would be creaked anyway.

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So Mel had owned this land for a few years.

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He didn't specifically say how long, and the previous owners

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told Mel that the hole had been there since they

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moved onto the land about thirty to forty years ago.

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It's an old hole. It's an old hole, but they

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didn't know how long it had been on the property

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before that. So there's no record of like the previous owners, well,

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there might be a record, but we don't know about it.

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I just don't have that information exactly. Well, that's really old.

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That's going back quite a way. That would be hard

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to track down totally.

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The gaping hole is nine feet nine inches in diameter.

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It is. That's a bunch of nines too.

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Nine.

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It had a steel door covering the top for safety.

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You know. Well, yeah, it is a gaping hole. Anyone

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could just fall in. It's like a hot dog down

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a hallway. Around the hole's rim is a three point

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five feet wide retaining wall made of stone that extends

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about fifteen feet down into the hole. Below that there's

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some visible soil and rock, and beyond that is dark,

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black nothingness. Okay, do we.

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Know how deep this hole is? I'm assuming you're.

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Gonna get there. Yeah, we're going to get there.

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I really this is one of my biggest fears.

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It's just some.

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Listen, it sounds stupid when you say it like that. No,

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but just like something like that where it's I guess

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maybe this is possibly occurring naturally, but think about that

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you're going to fall down into this or I mean,

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they've taken safety precautions, but.

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Yeah, how scary. It's a little scary. There is actually

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like a fear of holes thing. I can't remember what

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it's called. Maybe we can google it. Real quick. But

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it was on a season of American Horror Story.

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Oh my god, this is hilarious. What is it, Cassie.

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I'll look up a pronunciation guide, but the name of

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this literally signals exactly what my fear is with this

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trip a phobia does.

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Fall into a hole? Of phobia? Clumsy bitch of phobia.

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No one let Caitlin near this hole? Okay, seriously, tripophobia.

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Okay, listen, it's always going to be tripaphobia for me. Okay,

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we're settled on that sounds better.

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Yeah, I can cuh. A few locals have always discarded

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things into the abyss.

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I know, guys, no, like, what are we going to

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do with this trash?

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I guess we're gonna throw it down the hole? Okay,

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so things from regular old trash tires, even cow carcasses

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have been thrown into the hole. What in the fuck?

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Okay, Now, I definitely have tripophobia because can you imagine

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if you did fall into that hole?

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What's down there? Narnar exactly, Mel himself said he tossed

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a refrigerator down the hole, and he was quite surprised

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when he didn't hear it crash at the bottom. Mela,

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he was just curious where the bottom one was. He

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was like, if I throw this fridge down, I'm definitely

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gonna hear something. But he didn't hear anything good.

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I don't know. Maybe start testing your theories with something

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either biodegradable or maybe something small like a bouncy ball,

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but you wouldn't hear that. He went zero to fridge.

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He wanted to hear where the bottom was. It's actually

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it's worse. He did say. He threw TV tubes down there,

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which is apparently really really really bad, very toxic. We

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need to have a little chat. I just really wanted

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to hear something crash, and he never did. He eventually

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started to wonder why the heck his hole never got

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filled up. I mean, there was so much trash going

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into it for who knows how long you would think

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it would fill up. Yeah, but I mean it's pretty deep,

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it's pretty wide. Yeah, it's gursy. He yelled into the

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seemingly bottomless hole, but he got no answering echoes in return.

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You're horn it.

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Yeah, well that is interesting because it makes me wonder, like,

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how deep does a hole have to be for you

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not to hear an echo?

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Yeah, that's kind of crazy. He also shined a flashlight

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down the hole, and he said it just disappeared into blackness.

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He could never see the end. The light beam never

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touched the bottom. He didn't see any water, nothing. I

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just feel like this is how every horror movie begins,

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Like somebody who's just a little too curious. Definitely, that

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is a very good way to put this. Oh, for

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fuck's sake, Mel became so curious about his whole you

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can even say a whole obsession was born Jesus. So

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he started to experiment with this whole, trying to answer

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the burning, itching questions. How deep is it? Is it

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wet inside? Was it clogged up with decades of waste?

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Or was something paranormal happening to all the junk inside?

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All that junkin is trunk.

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Mel was a simple man. He liked throwing shit in

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a hole.

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Starting to tackle some of these big questions, he turned

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to his experience as a shark fisherman. What, yeah, he's

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a shark fisherman. Is that a thing? Apparently? Mel says

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it is?

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Okay, Mel, listen, do people really sharkfish?

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Like? Is that a thing?

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I don't I don't know.

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I didn't google it. I didn't go into it. Not

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that important to the.

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Story, probably not, But you know what, I'm horrified on

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behalf of my shark lover brother.

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Yeah, did you should like, should I have said trigger warning?

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You're like, just to be clear, this trigger warning is

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being issued for yeah, a singular listener.

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Also, did anyone catch my tackle reference? Because fishing, I said,

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he started to tackle some of these big questions. You

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love how I have to point it out, like just

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in case no one gets it?

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Like, well, it definitely went straight overhead for me. Look

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at my reference, everybody and laugh. Okay, I think and laugh.

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He remembered an old trick from his shark fishing days

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involving life savers candy. So Mel attached the candy to

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some fishing line that he had on hand because you know,

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he was a shark fisherman, and he inserted it into

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his hole. Then, after letting out an entire reel of

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fishing line, which was fifteen hundred feet, he reeled it

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back up to see if it had dissolved, meaning there

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would be water down there. The Brave Lifesaver never felt

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as though it hit anything on its journey into the unknown,

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and it came back out completely dry and intact, so

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he didn't hit water after fifteen hundred feet. Well, okay,

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I think I need to look up where the water

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table is in that area, and then I might have questions.

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Yeah, I'm not sure that's not something I looked into. Well, yeah,

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that would be pretty I dug for this episode, but

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I dug in different spots. Yeah I say that. Yeah,

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Like now I dug different holes.

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Oh boy, oh boy.

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So next, Mel sent the fishing line down with a

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one pound weight and was determined to find the bottom.

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So obviously you'd want to wait down the line, so

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it's not just like blowing in the wind or whatever

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down there. When he'd come to the end of his

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line again fifteen hundred feet for each school, he'd tie

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on another spool, and so on and so forth, until

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eighty thousand feet of line had been lowered and still

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had not reached the bottom. That's about fifteen miles.

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Okay, So, like, does the other end come out like

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in China.

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Or who knows, what's the diameter of the earth. I

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don't know that that was literally exactly google it. Oh

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my god, what's the diameter of the earth. I don't

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like this answer, the Earth is actually flat. There is

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no diameter.

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I mean correct. Obviously, Historically I have been satisfied with

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any answer that the National Geographic Society offers me. I

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don't like this. I'd like them to check again. Can

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you double check your work please, that'd be great.

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Okay.

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So Earth's core is the very hot, very dense center

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of our planet. The ball shaped core lies beneath the cool,

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brittle crust and the solid or the mostly solid mantle.

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The core is found about twenty nine hundred kilometers or

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eighteen hundred miles below Earth's surface. Oh and has a

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radius of about thirty four one hundred eighty five kilometers

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or twenty one sixty five for miles.

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Okay, so we're like at feet right now.

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But I didn't. I saw the eighteen and I got

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roll scared. I was like mel is throat shit into

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the core of our planet. And I feel like that

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would explain a lot.

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But maybe you might be you never know, or do

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we find out at the end. I'm not going to

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tell you yet. So also, in all of this research,

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I learned something new that I didn't know before, which

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maybe I'm naive, But there are people out there that

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think the Earth is hollow. Come again, there are people

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hollow but think the Earth is hollow? Are are they?

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They're different than the flat earthers. They are different than

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the flat earthers.

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So do they think it's a sphere but it's hollow?

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They think it's hollow, and I haven't looked into it.

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I might do a little more because it's really weird

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to me, but I think they think like creatures live

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in the hollow Earth. Anyway, moving on, fun fact for you.

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The deepest known part of the Earth is the Mariana

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Trench in the Pacific Ocean at thirty six thousand, two

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hundred and one feet or roughly seven miles, which is insane.

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Yeah, because when you say thirty six thousand feet, I'm like,

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whoof that is deep? And then you say seven miles

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and I'm like, I would like to.

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Go home now. So deep? And Mal's hole is eighty

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thousand still hasn't reached the bottom. That's about fifteen miles.

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The deepest man made hole is the Kola Well in Russia.

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Hola for the whole Yeah, huge.

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It is about twenty three thousand feet deep, which is

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a little over four miles. That man has drilled into

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the earth.

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Why I don't know there for research purposes? Is this

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like a water well? Is this like a fracking thing?

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Why don't you think it's an actual well? I think

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they were just doing it to see how far they

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can get. Honestly, seriously, like, this is here's the thing.

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This is why we've needed more women in STEM because

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we don't just like punch holes into shit or try

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to finger random holes in the earth.

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Let's drill a hole in the earth and see how

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far down it goes. Yeah, I really could go wrong.

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I don't want to say. That's why I really don't know.

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I didn't look into it because that's not what this

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is about. I didn't want to research, you know, a

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random tangent topic too much like I tend to do.

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So if y'all are interested, you can go look it up.

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Strange things were happening, not just inside Mel's hole, but

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outside as well. Animals like Mel's dogs were very wary

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of his whole. Even if you smeared peanut butter all

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around it. My god, they would not go near shut Okay,

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just that fy. Mel did not smear peanut butter on

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the hole to get the dogs to go. I just

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took some creative license with that so I can make

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a really gross joke. Yeah, and I we're going to

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move on. No, he just said his dogs did not

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like to go near the hole. Normally they followed him everywhere,

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would not follow him to the hole, and if he

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had him on a leash, they would kind of like

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brace themselves to not go near it.

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I think that they can sense things like that. Yeah,

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it's like a change in the terrain. And yeah, totally.

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I mean I don't blame them. Listen, if mel tried

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to drag me over to the hole with a leash,

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Oh wait, that's I guess that's probably a little that

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that's different kind that's a little bit of me. Yeah,

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which I mean, like get it, but also like but

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like don't don't get it near the hole.

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Yeah, exactly, I'm going to know that's okay, so are we. Yeah. Also,

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birds never seemed to land on the retaining wall or

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the steel door, and that could be the same thing.

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They kind of sense something, but like a bird is

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not just gonna fall in a hole. So I don't

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know why they'd be scared of a hole.

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That's that's what gets me, because I'm like, birds can fly.

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I don't know if you knew that.

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So maybe something else weird is going on here. Hum.

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But there's one more strange happening that is so disturbing

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that we need to get Stephen King on the phone immediately.

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Like I said, previously, locals had been using Mel's enormous

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hole as a garbage jump, but when one man disposed

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of his deceased doggo down the hole, he claimed to

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later see his beloved mutt out of the hole and alive.

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Bro What the man said The dog would not come

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to him when he called, but it had the exact

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same collar and tags on.

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Yeah. Well, okay, listen, here's the thing is if if

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we're going to go with this story, of course the

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dog didn't.

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Come to you.

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You threw it down the hole. It's like two thousand

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feet deep. Well, it was dead or one he remembers

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a likely story dog murderer.

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I would personally count it lucky that the dog didn't

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come to him, because we all know how pet cemetery ended.

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Don't fucks with re animated corpses.

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Yeah, no, I know how that one ended, for sure.

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She doesn't. I know they Oh. Spoiler alert they all die.

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I can't think of anything more horrifying to the fiber,

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every single fiber of my being than a horror movie

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that also centers around dead animals like pets specifically.

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Yeah, that's gross that movie, like gross, that's that's my No.

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No, yeah, don't touch the No.

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No, we did not plan that. That was natural. I

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swear we have a psychical.

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We really do.

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We really do. Now. Mel did not witness this. He

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is just relaying a story told to him. He is

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very clear that he doesn't know if he believed that

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this happened. He's just giving whatever information about the hole

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that he's heard from people.

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Yeah, which I feel like is what people say when

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they don't want to cop to a story. I don't know, man,

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this guy could be like truly crazy. But but look

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I heard, Yeah, well you're laying the story, so it

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could be possible you're kind of partially vouching for it

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if you're sharing it.

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So the question I kind of had. Art did bring

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it up on the show. He's like, well, they've thrown

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all these dead cows down there, did any of those

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come back? Like, would you even notice if a dead

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cow came back to life? They kind of all look

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the same.

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Yeah, if you had like three cows, you might, but yeah,

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I'm guessing out in Ellensburg nobody has three cows.

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Yeah. I mean, I know they probably count them and everything,

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but who knows. Who knows if some cows came back

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to life.

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I don't think they're counting them like down to the

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you know, no, I don't.

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Know how farmers work.

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Well.

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Mel decided to take his story public, and it was

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not for fame or fortune, but just for answers.

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Yeah.

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He specifically says he does not want any TV crews

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or reporters out there. He he didn't want a swarm

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of out of towners trying to take a gander at

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his hole. He needed to find someone to take this

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very seriously and just come out and size up his

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hole already.

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Listen, the only way that you could possibly get more

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people to show up out there is if you just

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like put up a sign that said free drugs or something.

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Yeah, free beer and weed. Yeah, because it totally like

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took off and people are obsessed with Mel's hole. There's

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songs written about it, there's drinks named after it.

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Oh, I'm not putting anything in my mouth. It's named

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Mel's Hole.

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Can I get another Mel's Hole?

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Please?

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Oo? I think that that's.

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A no for me.

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Dog. He soon got way more than he asked for

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in his hole. It's also important to note that when

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Mel was talking to Art in the first couple of interviews,

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he was doing so from Ellensburg and not on his

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property in the manas dash Rich. He never actually revealed

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the exact location of his land or the hole because

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he didn't want random people out there. So I think

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that kind of lens.

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To Okay, damn it, Mel.

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So all of that info was in the first interview

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on the show, and you can actually listen to all

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of them. It's kind of funny to hear people calling

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in and stuff because people do call in and they

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have some stuff to say.

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Oh geez.

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So I'll link those for you. I listen to it

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on Spotify, but I think you can just find it

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online and stuff in the archives in the X files.

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The next couple of days after being on the show,

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Mel notices helicopters circling above his property. Then he tries

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to drive up to his land. Remember, he's not living

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on it at this point, he's staying in Ellensburg and

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he's halted on his access road by armed military, although

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he cannot tell you which branch they're from, you.

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Know, usually that's on like the side of the truck,

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or you can tell based on the color of the uniforms.

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Yeah, And I don't know if it was just that

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he didn't see or couldn't tell the uniforms, or if

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they were just a different type of uniform that he

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wasn't used to seeing in the American military.

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Like he's maybe actually been told not to tell us.

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Maybe possibility, Maybe we'll get there, in which case, Mel,

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you are super fucked. Well, he probably weren't supposed to

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tell him, tell anybody that they were there at all.

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Probably not. He talks to the man in charge, who

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was not in a uniform, and this man tells him

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that there's been a lane crash on his property and

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he's not allowed on it until they've investigated. Mel told

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the man he didn't see any smoke or anything like

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you would typically see with a plane crash.

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Yeah. If you're you know, if you've watched the news

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in the last twenty two years, you've seen at least

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one plane crash.

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Right, And I feel like there's enough people out there

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that would notice a plane crash, but there was nothing

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ever in the news about a plane crash. There's not

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a lot going on out in Allensburg that area. Yeah,

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neighbors with their binaculars just waiting for something to happen.

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Yeah, no joke.

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The man told Mel that if he wanted to argue

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any further, that they might just find a drug lab

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on his property, okay, Agent Walter White. The man also

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tells Mel that if he told anyone about this, no

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one would believe him. Taking the hint, Mel leaves not

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really knowing what to do next, so he faxes Art

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at coast to coast once again. Of course he did.

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In his second phone interview on February twenty fourth, nineteen

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ninety seven, Mel brings more strange information that he had

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gathered from locals. A neighbor told Mel that he had

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seen a beam of solid black coming out of the

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hole up into the sky and he could not see

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the end or the beginning, sort.

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Of like the pot of gold at the end of

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a rag.

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Yeah, So I was wondering, like, is this beam coming

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from the whole or is it coming from the sky

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down into the hole. We don't know it's coming from

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both ends. Oh no, Mel himself never saw anything of

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that nature coming out of his hole or going into

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his hole, but later on other locals admitted to seeing

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the same thing.

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Let's be honest, Why would you lie about that?

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I know, right, it's kind of weird.

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Because, yeah, you legitimately sound like a screw just completely

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fell out.

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Exactly.

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It's no longer loose. It is officially missing.

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It's interesting that more than one people claim to have

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seen it.

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Though more than one person.

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It's fine. Another older neighbor said that there used to

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be stonehenge like pillars placed around the hole, and he

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doesn't know when they disappeared. Where they went. Did they

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fall into the hole? Did someone steal them?

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Okay, so where did these come from? Because the other

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owners who lived there for thirty or forty years, yeah,

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they never mentioned it.

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They didn't, but I don't.

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Oh, by the way, now that we've sold you the property,

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we're going to take our pillars with us.

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I mean, they could have removed them and not, Like,

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why would you tell someone that, Like, Hey, there's this hole,

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there used to be pillars around it, but there's not anymore?

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Like why would you say something like that.

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So I feel like, why would you leave it out?

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I don't I don't know the significance, but strange that

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was a claim from a very elderly neighbor who had

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been there in the area a long time. Mel also

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reveals that he does have a lab on his property

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that could easily be set up to look like a

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drug lab. So this is one of the reasons he

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was so concerned and kind of left it at that

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when the military man suggested that they might find drugs

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on his property, because he's like, oh, well, I do

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have a lab.

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Hey, Mel, what's what's the what's the lab for?

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I tell you? Oh okay. So he researches and grows

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plants for medicinal purposes, but he swears they're not narcotics.

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Y I'll bet he does.

482
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:13.240
He even claims later that the plants he grew on

483
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:17.720
the land with the whole had remarkable properties and that

484
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:22.240
had even cured a man of aids. After this interview,

485
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.079
Mel Waters was not heard from again to the public.

486
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.200
He did contact Art a few times, but he was

487
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.680
not heard from again until April twenty fourth of two thousand,

488
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:34.480
so three years later.

489
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:40.039
Hmmm. That's fine. I don't feel unsettled by that at all.

490
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:45.079
On April twenty fourth, two thousand, about three years after

491
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.960
a second interview, Art Bell manages to get Mel back

492
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.799
on the air, And if you thought this story was

493
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:58.759
already weird, oh boy, I have a lot more shenanig shenanigans.

494
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:06.279
After the second interview, Mel says the government offered him

495
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:10.799
an astounding deal to lease his property to them for

496
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:15.680
a quarter of a million dollars per month. That's what. Yeah,

497
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.799
so clearly they found something of value or interest on

498
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.799
his land. I would think, so, yeah, that's a lot

499
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.319
of money. Something really big is there. Yeah, they're probably

500
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:29.839
way low balling him. Oh I'm sure ask for half

501
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.960
a mil Mel. The government even arranged for Mel to

502
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.640
move to Australia, where he spent the majority of his money,

503
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.839
continuing to work on those magical herbs and opening a

504
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:47.440
wombat rescue. Yeah. I had to go look up pictures

505
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.920
of wombats because I had no idea what they were.

506
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:54.839
I'd heard of them before, but I really didn't know

507
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:59.119
what they looked like. Oh my god, they're adorable. I

508
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.680
got sidetracked for longer than I'd like to admit looking

509
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.119
at wombat pics.

510
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.640
That's what they did to Mel. Yeah, because I'm like, okay,

511
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:10.920
wait a second. So they give him like they're like, here,

512
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.279
just take all of these bags of money. Also, get

513
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:15.680
the fuck out of this country.

514
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.519
Like what did they Yes, they didn't want him around.

515
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:20.039
They didn't I don't get out of here mound. They

516
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.440
didn't want him snooping back on his property. I think

517
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.440
this has like a serious stranger things five. Mel was

518
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.240
in contact with Art during this time, and Art says

519
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.200
he was sure the communications were coming from Australia, but

520
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.680
Mel couldn't come back on air because the government, of course,

521
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:38.000
made him sign an NBA.

522
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:41.839
So then like, is he writing him letters? Because that

523
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.920
almost seems worse. I really don't know. He did never say.

524
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.559
He just said like the correspondence was for sure coming

525
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.480
from Australia. So okay, all right, So since Mel is

526
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.839
now back on air talking about his whole something must

527
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:01.880
have happened, right, I mean I would think so buckle up, y'all,

528
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:03.400
oh Dard.

529
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.039
Mel told Art he was going to be back in

530
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.519
the area and was supposed to be on the show

531
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.279
actually in person this time, but he never showed up.

532
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:13.799
Okay.

533
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:18.599
In this third interview, Mel explains why he was on

534
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.079
a bus to Olympia after helping a family member move.

535
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:24.920
This was supposed to be the day of the interview.

536
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.559
While in transit, there was an altercation on the bus.

537
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.119
It didn't involve Mel, but the authorities wanted to take

538
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:33.440
witness statements.

539
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:34.480
Okay.

540
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.359
He starts to get a little concerned about making the

541
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.640
interview on time. He tells the police he really needs

542
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:43.799
to get to Olympia. They say, no worries, We'll get

543
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.680
you on this other bus that's headed that way. Well,

544
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.839
that was the last thing he remembers before waking up

545
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:57.839
in a San Francisco alley twelve days later. That sounds

546
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.519
like some men in black shit to me, Like, what do.

547
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.640
You want to bet that bus is super not going

548
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:04.359
to Olympia.

549
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:09.200
Yeah, no, definitely wasn't. He was aroused from unconsciousness by

550
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:12.519
requests for him to sing on the road. Again, He's

551
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:16.720
a Willie Nelson doppelganger. These people were trying to wake

552
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.480
him up, trying to get him to sing. He realizes

553
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.720
all he has are his clothes on minus a belt buckle,

554
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:28.319
but the rest of his belongings are nowhere. To be seen. Now,

555
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:31.400
we don't know how long he was in the alley four.

556
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.960
It's possible that his belongings and the belt buckle were

557
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.960
stolen before he woke up, but we don't really know. Yeah,

558
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.720
I feel like there's more things that don't know than

559
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.880
a do. No, that's kind of the feeling you get

560
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:48.079
throughout this whole story. But that's not all he noticed

561
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:50.759
when he woke up. He said he had some sort

562
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.640
of tape residue left on his skin, like maybe from

563
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:58.279
an ivy and Caitlin, you're gonna you're gonna love this.

564
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:03.279
He also claimed that all of his molars had been removed.

565
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.359
What he said, he's still like tasted blood in his mouth.

566
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:12.000
He had, Yeah, all beds. Yeah you need those for

567
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.759
the eating of the food. You do need them. So

568
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:18.559
who removed them? I we don't know.

569
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.119
Somebody who collects teeth.

570
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.519
So I didn't write this down, but they were kind

571
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.200
of talking back and forth on the show, and he

572
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.759
thinks that maybe they were doing some sort of torture,

573
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.640
like to get information out of him, but he just

574
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.759
he just doesn't remember. Huh.

575
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:40.319
Yeah, well yeah it could be. I mean, the molars

576
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.880
would be the most painful to remove.

577
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:43.480
Probably.

578
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:48.279
However, if you're trying to basically get someone to talk

579
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:53.960
through like body horror, it would be not the molars

580
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:57.559
you want to take because you can't really see those

581
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.759
in your mouth, right, Yeah, you'd start taking the front teeth.

582
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.359
Oh, maybe that's hard to look at. Uh, it's just sicky.

583
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.000
And Art did sort of tease to his audience that

584
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.639
Mel would be coming on the show, so they think

585
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:14.159
that could have been the reason for the attack, like

586
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:15.920
they knew he was going to be back in the

587
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:19.639
States and going on the show to talk. Yeah, I'm

588
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.119
not really sure, but big Brother is a listener. Yeah,

589
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:24.039
watch out.

590
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.440
He never said that his molars would be coming back

591
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:28.039
on the show.

592
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:34.159
He didn't. That is curdibly, as if Mel needed any

593
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.760
more problems. When he finally gets back home, his ex

594
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.679
wife is suing him for ownership of the land. The

595
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:45.760
land was originally hers and when they divorced, Mel got

596
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:50.280
the land because she didn't see any value in it. Well,

597
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.280
she apparently found out that it was worth a boobload

598
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.960
whole Dolly parton Boobload's Yeah.

599
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.920
I was like, who's someone that has just like ridiculous hits?

600
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.880
You know what? I mean Dolly for sure. And she

601
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:08.719
does have some leverage here because in their settlement he

602
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:11.280
was not allowed to develop the land at all. It

603
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:15.039
had to stay as is, which he didn't do. But

604
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:16.360
the GUV GUV shirt did.

605
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.360
Well once it changes hands.

606
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:22.280
Yeah, but apparently that didn't matter because he wasn't supposed

607
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.119
to sell it to anyone that would do that either.

608
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.559
So what or release it because he's leasing it? I

609
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:32.239
guess maybe weird? Okay, But they did build roads, they

610
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:36.360
installed septic systems and fuel lines, so they did a

611
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.119
bunch of stuff that she didn't want done to the land,

612
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.519
so she wanted it back.

613
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:43.760
There's got to be like a statute of limitations on

614
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.880
that in the settlement.

615
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.559
Yeah, I'm not sure laws I don't know, okay, and

616
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.920
I don't know their exact agreement either. Yeah, I don't

617
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.199
have the paperwork to look through. I apologize. So even

618
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.880
though this was not Mell's fault, she won the land

619
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:02.480
back and now to deal with whatever shady shit is

620
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:08.159
going down there. Good luck with your molars. Yeah right. Oh,

621
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.639
and he sounded very worried about her. He said he

622
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.320
was unable to contact her at all to warn her

623
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:15.639
about what they had done to him.

624
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.400
Wait, why why can't he reach her all of a sudden?

625
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.559
I don't know, he doesn't know. Whah, he's worried.

626
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:27.039
Well, yeah, I mean she's an ex, so like, don't

627
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:28.000
be too worried.

628
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.039
You know, he's worried, but not that worried.

629
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.519
Yeah, like kind of worried.

630
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:36.360
She's the one who wanted the land back. Right. So

631
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.639
obviously Mel is no longer getting all that sweet sweet cash.

632
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.360
In fact, now he has absolutely no money and has

633
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:48.880
to sell plasma. Okay, Mel, you were making two fifty

634
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.480
large every month for I don't know how long, but

635
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:55.559
he spent it all in the wombats.

636
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.840
He did. Oh my god, that was adorable, little best.

637
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.360
I mean, i'd probably give them all of my money too. No,

638
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.280
they're making little wombat eyes at me all day.

639
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:11.079
Oh now, you sweet sweet.

640
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:15.679
Dumb dumb selling plasma though, that's rough. I've totally been there.

641
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.719
It's not a good time. So I understand where he's

642
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.960
at in life, and he clearly can't get back to

643
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:26.239
Australia with no cash. He can't get back to his wombats.

644
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.559
I know, Oh my god, he spent all of the

645
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:30.880
money on the wombats.

646
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.480
And no he can't get back to them, so poor

647
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:39.639
Mel has gotten the shaft. That's a funny little thing

648
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.320
that they said in the interview, and I wanted to

649
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.199
add it because it's funny. Yeah, another piece of this

650
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.599
wonky donkey puzzle. Mel talks about this old gun that

651
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.320
he had dug up back when he still owned the property.

652
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.400
He thought it may have been a Nazi P thirty

653
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.840
eight from World War Two. And I'm not gonna lie.

654
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.639
I have no idea what that means.

655
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:07.039
Okay, but why are there Nazi guns exactly the state

656
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:13.400
of Washington buried on this weird deserted property exactly. I

657
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.599
have so many questions, So did Math.

658
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.880
He ended up having to give this gun to his

659
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.000
new landlord because he had no funds for security deposit.

660
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.519
This was when he had to move from the Manastash

661
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.960
Ridge to Ellensburg because there had been some snow damage

662
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.079
to his property. Back to this crazy gun. When his

663
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:42.360
landlord shot the gun, it made absolutely no sound. It worked,

664
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.840
a bullet came out and everything, but it was silent.

665
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:50.119
I don't think that's how guns work. It's not. Even

666
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.760
if it had a silencer on it, it would still

667
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:56.119
make some sort of sound. I mean from everything I've

668
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:59.679
seen on TV anyway, I don't know for sure, but

669
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:03.960
this gun gets even stranger. She rolled her eyes at

670
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:04.559
me just now.

671
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.599
Okay, of course it does.

672
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.400
When the gun was placed near a radio, the radio

673
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.599
would switch from current broadcast to transmissions from days long

674
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:21.159
since past, exqueeze me. So it started to play broadcasts

675
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.480
and music from the past, like you could tell they

676
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:25.320
were very old.

677
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.719
It's like the time Traveler's wife of guns.

678
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:33.599
Yeah, okay, what's that thing like that catches things for

679
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:38.639
TV's antenna antenna? Okay, I was like, ah, I ca,

680
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.719
what's that thing that catches what's the shirt?

681
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.719
Well, no, I knew exactly what you were saying, though,

682
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.000
Like that's the crazy part is I'm like, I'm not

683
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.599
even looking at you like you're crazy. I'm like, so stupid.

684
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.760
Why can't you think of that catches?

685
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.239
Oh my gosh. Anyway, so it was like some sort

686
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:01.440
of antenna for the past.

687
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:05.320
I'm sure there's a logical explanation for that.

688
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:11.199
His landlord, who now has the gun, is also conveniently missing.

689
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.039
Mel got a hold of his son, who said to

690
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.360
his father left one day and they haven't heard from him.

691
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:22.559
Since Oh, okay, so that's fine. Also, the gun is

692
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.480
with him, so him and the gun are just gone.

693
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.400
Okay, where I really don't want to hang out with Mel.

694
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.960
If you have ever taken anything from Mel Waters that

695
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.960
he found on his property, just throw it away. Just

696
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.079
throw it away. Run.

697
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.920
Actually, I don't even think you should touch it again.

698
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:41.840
You don't touch it.

699
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.559
I think that you should literally wherever it is, leave

700
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.679
that place. Yeah, don't ever come back exactly, you start

701
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:49.679
using a different name.

702
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.559
Now. Earlier, when we talked about Mel waking up in

703
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.480
the alley, I casually mentioned that his belt buckle was missing.

704
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.480
This was actually a very unique and special belt buckle

705
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.000
that Mel made himself from coins that he had found.

706
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.079
Was it on the property? Shut up, we'll get there.

707
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:15.480
One of the coins was a dime dated nineteen forty three.

708
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.360
But this dime had a strange mint mark of the

709
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:23.280
letter B, which apparently isn't a thing. I don't really

710
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.960
know anything about coins, but that's what they say. There

711
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:30.159
is no B mint mark for a dime. Okay, I

712
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:36.599
feel like I'm about to have a strange fixation on

713
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:42.519
antique coins. You might that could be just a misprint

714
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:46.840
or something, but even more bizarre, the man featured on

715
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.159
this nineteen forty three dime is Roosevelt, And if you're

716
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:55.599
not a dates person like me, Roosevelt passed in nineteen

717
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.119
forty five and was not featured on any coins until

718
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:06.199
after that, So this coin should not exist. Okay, all right, Caitlin,

719
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.480
that's true. Can you take a guess where Mel acquired

720
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:10.920
said impossible coin?

721
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:14.199
I think I already did you definitely already did.

722
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.960
He dug it right out of the dirt on the

723
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.559
same land with the hole and the weird Nazi gun.

724
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:24.519
It was in a red Chinese lucky money envelope along

725
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.280
with nine other coins just like it.

726
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.880
They were all that same coin, all the.

727
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:35.400
Same nineteen forty three dime with Roosevelt's pretty mug plastered

728
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:39.320
on the front. Front or back? Is the head the

729
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.880
front of the back? I would say, the front?

730
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.599
Yeah, heads are tails? Yeah yeah, front, fronts are backs,

731
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.199
front back heads or holes?

732
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:54.360
Yeah? Well, what's weird about that? Is? Okay?

733
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.320
So if it's just one that's bizarre in its own way, right,

734
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.840
Because I don't know if you guys know this. The Treasury,

735
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:08.159
the Reserve, the people that are responsible for the money.

736
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:14.320
They don't usually print like limited edition just like singular coins. Yeah,

737
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:19.599
that's not really what they do there, But even nine

738
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.840
of them and there's your number nine.

739
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.400
Again, Well there was ten total.

740
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:25.719
Oh there was nine more.

741
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:31.400
Yeah, okay, so JK clo Yeah no.

742
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.400
But what's weird about that is it's almost like, okay,

743
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.400
so did somebody who works there where they actually make

744
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.960
the coins, they were like, you didn't be cool.

745
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:44.440
If we hid these in the ground for someone to

746
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:45.400
find in the future.

747
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:48.239
Well, they're like, this coin doesn't exist. I want to

748
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.960
make it, like I think it looks cool, and I'll

749
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:54.400
use the designation B because then it's like it's not

750
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:58.320
legal tender, which who fucking would know that when they

751
00:43:58.360 --> 00:43:59.079
look at a dime?

752
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.039
But like why and then why would you bury it?

753
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:05.800
Or maybe he just like bent over and it fell

754
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.480
out of his pocket. Yeah, and I don't know. I

755
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:14.559
don't know. It's a mystery. It's Mel's whole of mysteries.

756
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:18.239
So Mel had made belts with the other coins and

757
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.079
sold them, so he had ten coins total. He made

758
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.679
ten belts, he kept one, he sold nine. That's a

759
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.760
little math for you. Mel got in contact with someone

760
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.039
who had purchased one of his handcrafted belts to talk

761
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:36.199
about the special coin or the impossible coin. The man

762
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:40.920
took it to an expert who was flabbergasted and made

763
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:44.440
a very generous offer to buy the coin. Obviously that

764
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.000
meant it was probably worth a lot more, so he

765
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:50.519
did not accept the offer. But pretty soon after that,

766
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:55.199
the Treasury Department air Quotes shows up to take the

767
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.119
belt in the coin. I did air quotes when I

768
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:01.960
said the Treasury Department, because I feel like they wouldn't

769
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.519
just show up to your house and confiscate your property, right,

770
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:10.639
I mean by what authority exactly? So it was probably

771
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:16.360
that same government branch responsible for taking Mel's property posing

772
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.199
as Treasury officials to make it seem logical because they

773
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:21.199
were taking a coin.

774
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.480
I don't know, Like I just all right, I need

775
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.239
to do some research. Yeah, I just feel like, do

776
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.679
they have that authority? I feel like no.

777
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.400
I feel like they weren't getting any warrants or anything

778
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.840
official to be taking these things.

779
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:37.440
Yeah.

780
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.400
So, picking back up in the middle of the fourth

781
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:43.800
phone interview with Art, Mel talks about a fairly new

782
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:48.199
website called terror Server that had satellite imagery of the

783
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:52.320
Earth basically Google Earth, but obviously not as good. This

784
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.880
was over twenty years ago. Oh sure. Mel said he

785
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.199
had looked up his former property on this site, but

786
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.000
all that was there was a big old white square

787
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.760
over his land and a large chunk of the surrounding area.

788
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:08.559
Oo.

789
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:15.840
Arts audience swarmed the site and crashed it. Oh but

790
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:18.880
before the site went down, one listener managed to grab

791
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.519
a screenshot of it and sent it in. Mel confirmed

792
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:26.159
this was the redacted terror server image of his land

793
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:30.760
in the manastash Rich. He believes the government purposefully did

794
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.960
this so civilians couldn't see what they were doing there.

795
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:35.679
I mean that kind of tracks.

796
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.119
Yeah, so I have the photo if you were not

797
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.480
to see it, yes, and I will post it of

798
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.760
course for everybody else. Well, who cares about that.

799
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:46.599
I want to see it.

800
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:54.960
Enhance, enhance. So that's old school Google Earth.

801
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.679
That's super weird because it's not just like a solid

802
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:03.079
white box. It's like there's a little dew hickey, the

803
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:07.119
hanging chad. Yeah, on the side there. It's like, okay,

804
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.000
well what's over in that tiny little strip?

805
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:13.559
Yeah, I don't know, it's weird. It does look a

806
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:17.679
little weird. So real quick side note, seriously, don't waste

807
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:20.800
your time looking for this hole on Google Earth like

808
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.119
I did. There's some videos and articles and things of

809
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.159
people who have scoured Google Earth and they've never found

810
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.039
a dang old thing. So don't think that you can

811
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:35.400
do it, because you probably can't. But if you can,

812
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:37.519
we'd like to hear about it. Yeah, I mean, if

813
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.760
you want to like waste hours and hours and hours,

814
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:50.159
go for it. That's what you've been doing. Okay, Oops,

815
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.599
what has she been doing over there? I never know

816
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.840
what she's doing. Mel goes on to reveal that between

817
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.960
his call in two thousand and now, he has found

818
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.639
another hole of mysteries.

819
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:12.559
Um okay, Now, like Bud Guy Powell friend, I.

820
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.920
So he did have a little help here. He was

821
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.719
contacted by a group of Basque people in northern Nevada

822
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.199
about a hole that had been on their land since

823
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:29.199
their sheepherding ancestors settled there from northern Spain and southern

824
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.679
France in eighteen hundreds.

825
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.400
Okay, so this isn't just another hole that he found

826
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:37.480
on his property.

827
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.559
Okay, Okay, yeah. Again, he does not specify where exactly

828
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.840
this hole is located because the Basque people felt it

829
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:50.480
was sacred, so he didn't want a bunch of again,

830
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:54.880
a bunch of civilians. Civilian. That's not the right word, civilians,

831
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.000
I mean, because he's a civilian. Yeah what am I

832
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.599
trying to say? They are like, you know, hole smell. Yeah,

833
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.400
so you're fine. We don't want any of those non

834
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:10.239
hole hole gawkers. He didn't want any hole gawkers showing up.

835
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:15.840
I got this bass hole had some things in common

836
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.400
with Mel's hole. It was roughly the same diameter of

837
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:24.039
nine feet. Animals feared it. There were sightings of the

838
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:28.960
same strange black beam, and you could not see the bottom,

839
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.079
only black nothingness.

840
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:34.480
Oh yeah, okay.

841
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.960
Unlike Mels, the bass hole had a metal retaining wall

842
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.360
that he referred to as a collar. This collar had

843
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.599
notches on it, as if something was meant to be attached.

844
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:51.239
This metal had some unique properties though it was not

845
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.119
hot to the touch, but it seemed to radiate heat,

846
00:49:54.880 --> 00:50:02.519
and it was not able to be cut or even dented. Yeh,

847
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.559
And most notably, it had no sound if you banged

848
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:12.440
on it, sort of like that weird Nazi gun. I

849
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.920
don't know how it's possible, but it keeps getting weirder.

850
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.159
I don't like it. It's yeah, I don't.

851
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:19.960
Even need the burps.

852
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.199
Since the Basque people had always viewed this hole as

853
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:30.800
a sacred space, they never lowered anything into it. You know.

854
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.760
I'mike Mel, who was like, oh, it's a hole, we

855
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:39.519
must shove shit in there. But I guess Mel's stories

856
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:44.639
of him experimenting with his own hole sparked curiosity in them.

857
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.840
So with Mel by their side, they started their own

858
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:53.719
investigations into their hole. No, they lowered down a bucket

859
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:57.000
of ice with an estimated fifteen hundred feet of rope

860
00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.880
that they had on hand, because you know, you always

861
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:03.280
have fifteen hundred feet of rope on hand, Yeah, who doesn't.

862
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.760
They never reached the bottom. They left it there for

863
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.679
a bit before pulling it back out. Upon inspection, they

864
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.639
realized that the ice did not melt. Oh okay, weird right.

865
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.840
Mel picked up some of the ice, expecting it to

866
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.760
still be just as cold and frozen as when he

867
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:26.519
lowered it down. But the ice was now warm but

868
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.079
still seemingly solid.

869
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:33.639
That okay, Well, listen, so we're just throwing all of

870
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:35.119
science out the window.

871
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.719
I guess. So it is a hole of mysteries. I

872
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:40.719
told you it would get weird, so it was not

873
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.679
melting in the warmth of his hands, as you would

874
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.039
expect regular ice to do. Then they decided to put

875
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.199
the whole bucket of ice on the fire to see

876
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:53.920
if they could get it to melt, because boys, you

877
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:56.000
know what makes this better fire?

878
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.960
I mean, I agree, I.

879
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.199
Was gonna say, I guess not just boys, boys and

880
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:06.159
calin kid. Well, if you hadn't already guessed, the ice

881
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.719
did not melt, but it did catch on fire.

882
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:14.199
Uh okay, well I don't care for that. See this

883
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.559
is why I thought that was a bad idea. As

884
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:20.519
someone who normally is all about the fire, I don't know. See,

885
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.639
here's the thing is, normally, if I'm playing with fire,

886
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.159
I insist on there being no boys. I think that's

887
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:28.039
where they went wrong.

888
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.920
Maybe. Yeah, it wasn't big flames, but it was more

889
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.480
like a glow around the cubes. They removed it from

890
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.960
the fire, and whatever this is that clearly isn't ice anymore,

891
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:42.719
continued to burn with no signs of stopping.

892
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:47.239
I think there might be like some type of gas

893
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:51.239
down in the hole. Oh maybe, and it like coated

894
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:56.840
the ice, right, something like that. Maybe maybe that's what

895
00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:01.719
the government was interested in like a ammable gas thing.

896
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:06.840
I don't know the government does like flammable shit? They do,

897
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:11.159
I mean to do again, who doesn't They do? Have

898
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:15.119
to give a trigger warning for the next bit? What

899
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:17.320
there's some animal death.

900
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.679
No, I'm so sorry. It's not a puppy or a

901
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:25.320
kiddy or anything like that. I have plans, but it's

902
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:28.599
important to talk about and it's very, very weird.

903
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.119
I don't like it.

904
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.199
So we're gonna We're gonna get through the bad part.

905
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:35.880
I'm not going to go into detail, but I just

906
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:37.639
wanted to warn you in case you want to skip

907
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.840
ahead if you don't want to hear this part. Mollie, Charlie,

908
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:45.360
ear mups, hear moms. One of the bass men was

909
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:49.119
so curious that he wanted to enter the hole. No

910
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:52.599
one wanted to let him do that, so they decided

911
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:54.840
to use a sheep.

912
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:57.960
Oh my god, let the village idiot go down.

913
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:03.559
I know, right, mel was very reluctant to tell this

914
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.559
part of the story. You could tell it was really

915
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:10.000
traumatizing for him. He was an animal lover, you know,

916
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:10.840
the wombats.

917
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:16.239
Yeah, but are you reluctant to tell it because you

918
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:19.880
are an animal lover or you reluctant to tell it

919
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.519
because it's fucked up and you were there there.

920
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:29.280
Yeah, he seemed really disturbed by it, but they felt

921
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:33.280
like it was a necessary thing to do. So, like

922
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.960
I said, I won't go into detail because I also

923
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:40.760
hate animals dying and things. It's my no no topic,

924
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:48.800
so I know, seriously for why, I know, no, maybe

925
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:51.360
you start with a bug or something, you know, yeah,

926
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:52.920
like nothing good.

927
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.039
Is happening to anything that goes down there or anything

928
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:57.039
that comes back up.

929
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:01.119
They lowered the sheep down with the same fifteen hundred

930
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.679
foot rope as with the ice. When the rope could

931
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.159
not go any further, they left it there for a while,

932
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.119
just like the ice. Mel said, during that time they

933
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:15.719
could feel static like vibrations around the metal rim or

934
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:21.800
collar as he likes to call it. Okay, sounds great, Yeah,

935
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.119
he said. It wasn't the sheep moving, It was like

936
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:30.599
vibrations around the rim. So, of course, when they brought

937
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.519
the sheep back out of the hole, it was no

938
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:36.199
longer living. On the surface, nothing appeared to be wrong

939
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.320
with the sheep other than it was obviously dead. Yeah.

940
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:43.320
The deadness, Yeah, the deadness. It'll get you, but they

941
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:47.599
decided to do an autopsy. Cool. They found that the

942
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.960
sheep appeared to have been cooked on the inside and

943
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.440
there was a jelly like substance and what they thought

944
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.519
looked like a huge tumor. It was almost the size

945
00:55:58.519 --> 00:55:59.480
of the sheep itself.

946
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:04.239
What the okay? So poison gas down in the hole?

947
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.159
Like radiation like something? Right?

948
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:11.320
The tumor was pulsating and Mel described it as smelling

949
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.840
like ozone. And I'm not really sure what that smells like.

950
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.400
Do you know what ozone smells like? I would have

951
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.599
googled it, but I thought it'd be funner to ask you.

952
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:24.719
I put you on the spot, make you google. The

953
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:29.280
smell of ozone is described and I quote like chlorine,

954
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:35.840
a clean smell, sweet and pungent, like an electrical spark,

955
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:41.519
burned wire smell. Ooh, which makes sense if it if

956
00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.360
they were saying that it was like it was cooked.

957
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:48.079
And the fact that like they say that smells like

958
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:54.000
electricity or energy hmm, that like there's some sort of

959
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:59.239
like gas or chemical that's emanating from there, huh. Or

960
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:03.880
radiation because radiation, I bet does radiation smell like ozone?

961
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:10.000
If you type in does radiation smell. The first suggested

962
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:15.599
Google return is does radiation smell like pozone?

963
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:17.760
Weird? All right?

964
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.079
So, allegedly, because I have not had a chance to

965
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:26.880
review this with my peers, radiation of low intensity does

966
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:30.880
not smell of anything, but a very strong and deadly

967
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:36.519
source of radiation causes ionization of molecules in the ambient air,

968
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:41.639
and these changes give the air a characteristic smell. So

969
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:47.800
there's several different descriptions, basically like a clean type chlorine smell,

970
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:51.760
like a sweet but pungent or almost like a burnt

971
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:58.119
electrical wire smell. So it's said that nuclear physicists and

972
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.320
other types of scientists that are really familiar with it

973
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:06.159
without a docimiter know that the smell of ozone and

974
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.280
a metallic taste in the mouth is a sign of

975
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:15.119
strong radiation. Oohiky, I'm not like a super strong like

976
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:19.360
science stem background, but like there's a lot of stuff

977
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:24.280
that actually has radiation that we're being exposed to just

978
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.679
through normal everyday thing. Yeah, like the sun, So I

979
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.280
don't know, in like the core of the Earth, it's

980
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.280
I don't logical, No, I don't, I don't I don't

981
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:35.719
want that.

982
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.880
I would like to tap out now, So Caitlin's not

983
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:42.920
going to be lowered into the hole, is what we're

984
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:48.199
saying that. Oh my god, after learning even just like

985
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:50.679
this little bit, I would be hard pressed to like

986
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:55.239
put a bucket of spiders down there, like that's that's

987
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:59.159
kind of fucked. What about a hornet's nest? Well, listen,

988
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:02.800
they had it coming. They would probably gain superpowers from

989
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:05.760
being thrown down there, and they'd come out and be

990
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:09.400
these huge hornets. I'll be honest, That's why I didn't

991
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:10.800
want to put the spiders down there.

992
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:14.360
I don't put anything down any holes. Listen, just stop

993
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.119
putting things in the hole.

994
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:19.360
People are obsessed with holes. So we kind of had

995
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:23.079
like a little breaky brake palette cleanser type thing before

996
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:30.400
I jump in too. Again, even weirder and more intense shit.

997
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:39.280
So they cut open the tumor and there was a

998
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:41.000
living creature inside.

999
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:44.119
Have to leave.

1000
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:51.599
That, Mel said, looked like a seal fetus, flippers and all.

1001
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:53.119
What the fuck?

1002
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:56.039
Okay, well, now I have to google seal feed it.

1003
00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:59.320
Well, I did that for you. He said. It had

1004
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:04.679
human looking eyes, and it looked each of them in

1005
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:08.639
the eyes like it was studying them. Mel felt compelled

1006
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:12.199
to place the creature on the metal collar, and it

1007
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:16.199
made its way to the edge, seemingly nods at them

1008
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:20.079
and flops its way back down the hole. Okay, I

1009
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:26.920
think that's for the best, right go on, you, you

1010
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:31.199
flop right back, gone down to mommy where you came from.

1011
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:34.880
This whole thing lasted a while. They said that they

1012
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.480
were just like staring at it. It was staring at

1013
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.320
them intense. I looked up photos of sheep fetuses to

1014
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.079
make sure, like you couldn't just confuse that with a

1015
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:46.000
seal fetus.

1016
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:47.400
I don't think so.

1017
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:52.360
They look very different. I should hope it doesn't seem

1018
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:54.840
to me that you would confuse the two. Even at

1019
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.840
the earliest stages. It doesn't appear to have anything that

1020
01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:01.800
looked like flippers. And also the eyes, like sheep's eyes,

1021
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:06.400
have those distinct pupils, right like the sideways ones. I

1022
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:10.320
guess Mel wasn't freaked out by the creature. He actually

1023
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.920
felt it to be quite miraculous. I'm not sure if

1024
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:17.119
he felt this way in the moment or upon reflection

1025
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:21.400
once returning home, because Mel now reveals that he had

1026
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:26.920
very advanced cancer. Yeah, I'll bet right from fucking around

1027
01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:30.400
with this hole this time. Mel. He was supposed to

1028
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:34.280
only live about six months after the diagnosis, but he'd

1029
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:38.239
been alive and cancer free ever since he had the

1030
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:41.880
encounter with the being. Uh huh. So he thinks the

1031
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:48.039
seal fetus alien from a sheep body tumor cured him

1032
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:48.639
of cancer.

1033
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:54.239
Okay, so I think that probably if there was ever

1034
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:58.800
a possibility before. I just don't think that Mel and

1035
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:01.920
I are going to hang out. I just feel like

1036
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:06.119
we're really different pages on a lot of things.

1037
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:08.840
I mean, that's pretty cool, though, if he got cured

1038
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:15.559
of cancer. Right the way she's looking at me, there's

1039
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.360
one more big thing, Mel spills out before the end

1040
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:22.320
of the call. Before he left Nevada, a Basque elder

1041
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:26.920
gifted him a coin, a coin he'd found in a

1042
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:32.880
red envelope, A coin dated nineteen forty three featuring the

1043
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:37.280
thirty second President of the motherfucking United States of America,

1044
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:44.199
Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Are you fucking shitting me? I mean,

1045
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:47.480
are you shocked? I'm not?

1046
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:48.239
No.

1047
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:50.559
I mean I feel like this is the part where

1048
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:51.280
I should be like.

1049
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.079
Are you shitting my dick?

1050
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:57.800
But Uh just gets crazier and crazier. I told you guys,

1051
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:05.519
I wasn't lying. So basically, if you didn't catch on this,

1052
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:09.199
Basque elder found the same type of red envelope that

1053
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:13.239
Mel did with those weird Roosevelt nineteen forty three coins

1054
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.320
with the mint mark, and he gave him the same coin,

1055
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:21.960
not knowing this story, allegedly. So okay, we're here. We've

1056
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.159
made it to Mel's final interview on Coast to Coast

1057
01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:29.400
with Art Bell on December twentieth, two thousand and two.

1058
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:33.159
So it's been almost a year since last time. Mel

1059
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.000
has kept in contact with the Basque people, and there

1060
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:40.840
are some updates about their hull. They say there's helicopters

1061
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:44.559
now flying over like they're looking for something. That's the

1062
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:48.519
first step, man, I you know, maybe you just keep

1063
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:52.039
quiet about your whole, right. Why did they tell him

1064
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:53.880
about the hole? You know he's going to go on

1065
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:54.679
coast to coast.

1066
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.119
Just keep the whole private, yeah.

1067
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.519
You know, you know, keep it locked away, put a

1068
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:03.159
chest he belt on it. But no government or military

1069
01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:06.400
has shown up to barricade the hole yet, so that's

1070
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:09.280
a good thing. Mel says that that metal collar around

1071
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:13.599
the bass hole has another interesting quality. Other than the

1072
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:17.039
silence and the warmth. When you get a certain distance away,

1073
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.320
you can't see it anymore, not so far that it's

1074
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.159
reasonable for you to not see it. You would still

1075
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.440
think that you would see this big metal collar, but

1076
01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:30.639
for some reason it disappears. Hmm. Okay, maybe that's why

1077
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:33.679
the government hadn't found the Nevada hole yet. But they

1078
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:37.159
were able to find Mel's hole right away because his

1079
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:43.480
hole didn't have the fancy invisibility metal. I was literally sitting.

1080
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:47.320
There going, okay, Harry, your invisibility clothes.

1081
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:52.559
Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, the Harry pottered that hole. Okay, Ah,

1082
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:58.960
that was a joke. I didn't mean to make Harry plopper.

1083
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.679
The dime and the gun also share the same quality.

1084
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:07.480
Cameras don't seem to work around them either, so Mel

1085
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.920
was unable to get any photos or even scans of

1086
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.159
the dime. Yeah, very convenient, I would say. He said

1087
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:18.079
that the photos all turn out all blurry, and that

1088
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.800
like totally reminds me of the Ring. I know you

1089
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:22.719
probably haven't seen it. It's a scary movie.

1090
01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:24.239
He's super had.

1091
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:27.719
My day's fucking ruined. You know how when they take

1092
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.199
the photos and then the faces are all blurry.

1093
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:33.519
I don't no, don't, don't remember any of that.

1094
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.679
And she comes out of a fucking hole in the ground.

1095
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:41.000
Oh my god, it's all making sense, it's all tying together.

1096
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:43.960
Is this the most uncomfortable I've ever made you?

1097
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:49.159
It's definitely the farthest I've tried to crawl into the

1098
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:50.039
back of the chair.

1099
01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:54.880
So, Caitlin, do you remember that burning ice? Ye? Well,

1100
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:57.920
it stayed lit, and one of the bask men took

1101
01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:01.360
it home to use as a free, ongoing heat source.

1102
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:03.400
What the of course he did?

1103
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:05.559
Hey, man, when you're low on money, you gotta do

1104
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:08.159
what you gotta do, all right, he saw free fire,

1105
01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:11.480
he took it. It not only sucked out all of

1106
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:15.480
the moisture in his home like some damp rid on steroids,

1107
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.960
but he created a sinkhole that, over time, sucked his

1108
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.559
whole house down. Who could have seen that? Come right,

1109
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:29.079
I don't take freaky ice from freaky holes. Okay. Then

1110
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:33.400
some scientists swoop in like Wesley pulling Buttercup out of

1111
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:37.360
the lightning sand pit in the fire swamp to seize

1112
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:40.840
the magical fire ice. No word on if they had

1113
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:45.280
to fight one of the rodents of unusual size afterwards.

1114
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:52.559
But you know, God, I've just I've really I've had

1115
01:06:52.599 --> 01:06:54.800
it with this all, all of it.

1116
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:59.039
I wouldn't be surprised if one of those suckers showed up.

1117
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:03.400
Right, I mean, is that not with that weird seal fetus?

1118
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:04.119
Maybe?

1119
01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:05.360
I don't, I don't know.

1120
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:07.800
It took them quite some time to figure out how

1121
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:10.440
to get it out of the sinkhole, but they ended

1122
01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:13.320
up pulling out the stove and taking it with them.

1123
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:17.239
You know, I just probably probably know. Yeah, probably that

1124
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.199
stove is dead to you. But what are they going

1125
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:21.199
to do with it? Like they're going to take it

1126
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.679
to some lab and it's going to sinkhole the lab.

1127
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.440
Like I just I don't know.

1128
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.360
Maybe we just leave the hole alone.

1129
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:33.199
Yeah, maybe we just go Maybe they took it back

1130
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:36.599
to the hole and are going to throw it back down. Yeah. Okay,

1131
01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:41.719
do you remember that seal creature? How could I forget?

1132
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:45.599
It's been sending messages to the bask people through a

1133
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:48.159
boom box when they place it on the metal collar.

1134
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:54.000
What Okay, listen, does he sign off baby seal?

1135
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:57.199
No, but he does warn that the fire ice crap

1136
01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:59.519
is going to be the end of the earth. So

1137
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.480
I mean, just casually, super cash. A man who goes

1138
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:08.960
by red Elk contacts the show and says, this informative

1139
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:13.920
steal thing is a rock flyer of Native American legends.

1140
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:17.159
There's a shit tone more about this dude, and we're

1141
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:20.159
not going to get into it. Also, I legit couldn't

1142
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:24.560
find a single thing about rock flyers, So that's all

1143
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:27.239
we're ever going to get out of Mel's Hole. To

1144
01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.079
wrap it all up, you should always wrap it up.

1145
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.159
No one has ever found any evidence of a man

1146
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:38.560
named Mel Waters or his hole in the evergreen state

1147
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:43.479
of Washington. That redacted terra server photo is the only

1148
01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:47.560
piece of evidence we ever get to actually see. Some

1149
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:51.319
people claim to know where Mel's hole is located, but

1150
01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:56.880
they've never actually shown anyone else the location. Dicks cough cough,

1151
01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:01.239
red Elk, right, which is why we're not talking. And yeah,

1152
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:03.880
there's a lot of science saying that a hole like

1153
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:06.800
this is impossible. I mean, if the deepest holes we

1154
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.079
know of are nowhere near as deep as Mel's hole,

1155
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.760
you can logic that one out right, I think so, yeah,

1156
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:16.680
But that's kind of the point. What's logic got to

1157
01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:20.800
do with it? This hole is clearly abnormal in every way.

1158
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:25.000
It's obviously an inner dimensional portal of some sort. That's

1159
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:25.720
what I'm going with.

1160
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:32.039
Or maybe Mel, if that's his real name, has a

1161
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:32.920
hole in his head.

1162
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:38.279
Maybe it's possible, totally possible. I feel like either scenario

1163
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.560
equal possibility. Or I mean, it could be like a

1164
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:46.560
radiation thing. Ooh, it could be that that's where the

1165
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:50.960
government dumped like all this radioactive shit and it made

1166
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:54.199
like a hole. They're like, oh, nothing to see here,

1167
01:09:54.319 --> 01:10:03.800
We'll go ahead and least this property so that nothing nothing. Yeah, exactly.

1168
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:09.319
You know when you like you're like talking to somebody

1169
01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:11.640
or you like walk into some to a room and

1170
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:12.800
somebody's like, what.

1171
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:18.399
Nothing, wasn't anything. I wasn't tricky enough. It's exactly it.

1172
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:21.600
And of course no one knows who Mel really is.

1173
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:25.079
He either didn't use his real name, which why would

1174
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:27.680
you if you really wanted to keep the public out

1175
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:31.319
of your hole, you know, you wouldn't use your real name. Yeah,

1176
01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:35.479
you'd have a stage name, or the government erased all

1177
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:39.520
traces of him. Okay, here myself, I know I've gone

1178
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:44.199
full crazy. It's fine, Yeah, I guess I just have

1179
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:50.359
one final curiosity about mousehole if I took salad to

1180
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:51.800
the rim and tossed it.

1181
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:59.239
The end, finish the question.

1182
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.319
I mean I just assumed you guys could.

1183
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:08.520
What would happen, Well, it'd be a radioactive popsiel salad.

1184
01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:15.319
Oh god. So I wanted to mention another podcast that

1185
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:22.680
covered this, Astonishing Legends. They covered this in depth, like

1186
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:25.840
they talk about every little detail of the phone call.

1187
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:29.800
It's like a play by play. They share their theories,

1188
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:33.520
other people's theories and whatnot. If you want even more

1189
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:37.119
of Melshole, If you just can't get enough of Melshole,

1190
01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:40.399
go check out Astonishing Legends. They had what was it,

1191
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:42.880
two episodes that were like three hours long or so.

1192
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:47.279
Yeah, I mean it's like six or more hours of

1193
01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:51.319
content about this, and I was like, I can I

1194
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:53.960
cannot stomach that format personally.

1195
01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:56.920
Yeah. I listened to a little bit of the beginning

1196
01:11:57.039 --> 01:11:59.079
just to kind of see where they were going with it,

1197
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:01.479
and they were totally like doing a play by play

1198
01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:09.800
of the calls. I think that's it. Yeah, Taro Taro, Wow, Okay,

1199
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:16.159
Mel's Hole, everybody, I just what are we going to

1200
01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:17.680
pull out a Mel's Hole today?

1201
01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:23.159
Oh dear, I wish you wouldn't say.

1202
01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:33.199
Things like that, focusing on the hole, on the hole. Okaykes,

1203
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:41.239
this is the card. Okay, interesting it is that a nine.

1204
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:45.760
Let me see the hermit and it's in reverse. But

1205
01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:48.680
you guys, it kind of looks like he's crawling out

1206
01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:52.199
of a hole or a cave. You said a cave.

1207
01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:55.520
She did say a cave earlier. She was like, Tarot deck,

1208
01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:57.279
if you don't have a hole, give us a cave.

1209
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:02.760
I'm what is happening. We're literally witches. Also the fact

1210
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:06.880
that it's number nine again my number, but also the

1211
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:09.960
whole if you remember it was nine feet nine inches.

1212
01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:14.079
Who else has the full on chills right now? Maybe

1213
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.319
I'll read from the little one while you're looking for

1214
01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:21.319
the Biggie perfect. The hermit is a thoughtful, introverted figure

1215
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:26.079
who likes to spend his time ruminating alone, like the

1216
01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:32.960
creature under the stairs reversed. Are you feeling overwhelmed or aimless? Yes?

1217
01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:36.159
How did you know? If you need direction? Look within?

1218
01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.680
You have the answers you need to find them. Make

1219
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:44.520
time for yourself. Getting away from the hustle and bustle

1220
01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:48.680
of daily life will bring you much needed clarity. Okay,

1221
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:52.960
this is kind of weird going away stop somewhere else

1222
01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:54.439
is a big part of this story.

1223
01:13:55.319 --> 01:14:01.479
Okay, So the Hermit keywords are guidance, solitude, inner wisdom,

1224
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:06.760
self evaluation. The Hermit is often linked with Father Time

1225
01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:12.880
or Saturn, the planet astrologers connect with obstacles and lessons

1226
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:16.600
that come up during the course of our lives. As such,

1227
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:20.239
he reminds you to be patient and brutally honest with

1228
01:14:20.359 --> 01:14:22.760
yourself as you work to gain perspective.

1229
01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:26.199
Interesting, you gotta be honest. I have one thing to

1230
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:29.199
say about that before you move on really quick. So

1231
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:33.520
one of the things with like Stonehenge, they think it,

1232
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:36.279
you know, might correlate with the stars or whatever. That

1233
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.439
was kind of one of the theories, those stone hinge

1234
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:42.239
pillars that were around it. Does those correlate with any

1235
01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:47.039
star patterns or does the whole correlate with a you know,

1236
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:50.760
a star or the moon or something that cold. Yeah,

1237
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:52.920
maybe that was one of the big questions of it.

1238
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:54.039
So I wanted to mention.

1239
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.640
That that's interesting. Well, the extra exer tad something for

1240
01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:01.119
us for sure. The wheel of Fortune is often linked

1241
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:05.960
with karma, which Wickans describe in what's known as the

1242
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:12.439
Wickan read bide the wickan law, ye must imperfect love

1243
01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:17.359
and perfect trust eight words till the wickan read fulfill

1244
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:21.840
and ye harm none do what ye will, What ye

1245
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:25.680
send forth comes back to thee. So ever, mind the

1246
01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:31.399
rule of three interesting. Followed this with mind and heart

1247
01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:36.880
and marry ye, meet and marry ye part the Rule

1248
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:40.760
of three interesting because we keep getting cases that have

1249
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:43.319
like the nine which is, h.

1250
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:46.880
Are you reading the right one?

1251
01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:52.319
I'm literally not. I was like, I don't remember, okay,

1252
01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:55.039
which one? Were you reading the Wheel of Fortune?

1253
01:15:55.279 --> 01:16:00.439
Oh? Okay, yeah, okay, Well, I mean it was still

1254
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:01.359
cool to hear I like.

1255
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:04.119
I guess as to the part that I read about

1256
01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:08.600
father time that was correct, but the pages were like

1257
01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:12.960
stuck together and I went straight to the reverse interpretation

1258
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:14.600
of the Wheel of Fortune.

1259
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:17.479
Interesting. I just like to hear you say yee a

1260
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:22.560
bunch of times. Oh yeah, we did it twice in

1261
01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:26.960
one episode. Let's see, let's do something fun and see

1262
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.640
if it's just like around here, just in case.

1263
01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:31.000
Okay, I'm going to read this.

1264
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:36.199
Stop no, is that the wheel of Fortune?

1265
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:37.159
Yeah?

1266
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:42.960
Okay? What was that at the bottom of the deck

1267
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:46.760
that was in the middle? So I did this, I

1268
01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:49.479
think and this was Oh my gosh. So they were

1269
01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:55.680
literally right next to each other. I think that's significant. Okay,

1270
01:16:56.199 --> 01:17:01.279
you guys just witnessed literal magic. You're welcome. We're going

1271
01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:03.079
to read it. I think we should read it, maybe

1272
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:05.560
after we did the Hermit and see what's up.

1273
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:11.119
Yeah, okay. Reversed the Hermit suggests you're ignoring or rejecting

1274
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:15.279
the wisdom being offered to you. It's time or long

1275
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:21.039
past time, for self evaluation. Reflect on your hopes and goals,

1276
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:27.199
your associations, your relationships, your career, and your purpose in life.

1277
01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:30.039
Sometimes this card shows you don't want to be alone

1278
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:35.239
and feel sad, frightened, or isolated, like inside a hole.

1279
01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:38.920
Interesting sat alone and frightened.

1280
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:45.600
Yeah. In a reading about money, you may be unwilling

1281
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:49.600
to look at a financial matter closely, or reluctant to

1282
01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:54.279
listen to advice. Sometimes this card suggests you're overly cautious

1283
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:58.199
and that's limiting you. It can also mean rejecting the

1284
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:02.760
material world for the spiritual one. If the reading is

1285
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:06.560
about your job, you need to withdraw to think things through,

1286
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:10.560
to sort out your life and the issues confronting you.

1287
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:13.800
Keeping busy can be a form of denial.

1288
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:15.880
Oh my goodness, you guys.

1289
01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:20.119
Sometimes the reversed hermit indicates being forced to leave a

1290
01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:23.960
secure job and go it alone. Oh my god, she's

1291
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:29.159
pooping yourself. Oh my god. In a reading about love,

1292
01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:32.680
you may try to fill your time with social activity

1293
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:38.079
to avoid facing yourself. In some cases, the hermit reversed

1294
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:42.840
may mean disappointment in a romantic situation or leaving a

1295
01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:45.159
relationship that no longer fulfills you.

1296
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:46.159
Wow.

1297
01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:49.000
All right, so I'm going to continue on with real fortune.

1298
01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:50.079
I'm going to try to go quick.

1299
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:56.600
Yeah. So our keywords are change, destiny, unexpected turn of events,

1300
01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:59.039
and good luck. Wow.

1301
01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:03.800
To pick the wheel of fortune with eight spokes a

1302
01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:07.800
reference to the eight pagan subbots or holidays that mark

1303
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:12.279
the sun's annual passage across the sky, and the ever

1304
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:14.239
turning circles.

1305
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.880
Of life, circles, whole, cycles of life. Oh darn it

1306
01:19:17.479 --> 01:19:20.720
cycles the circle, and that is a whole. It's a whole.

1307
01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:23.720
Cycles are circles, and circles are holes.

1308
01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:29.680
Other decks show human or mythical figures attached to the wheel,

1309
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:33.119
indicating that we're all tied to the wheel of time

1310
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:37.520
and subject to life's ups and downs. The rider Waight

1311
01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:43.800
Smith deck includes winged versions of astrological symbols, which represent

1312
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:48.800
the four elements in the cards corners, suggesting the influence

1313
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:55.760
of divine forces consciously or unconsciously. You've put something in

1314
01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:59.119
motion and you now have little or no control over

1315
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:03.680
the outcome. I don't care for that. A new phase

1316
01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:07.119
in your life is beginning, an important decision must be made,

1317
01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:12.319
or an upcoming circumstance will change your life. Wow, destiny

1318
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:15.560
is at work and you have to accept whatever happens.

1319
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:18.800
All you can do is a tune.

1320
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:22.600
Yourself to the forces operating now. Okay, and there's an

1321
01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:27.079
extra exit before the interpretation, so I'm going to blow

1322
01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:30.840
through it. The Marai, I think, is how you pronounce this.

1323
01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:34.479
The wheel of fortune is linked to the three fates,

1324
01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:40.359
three collectively called the Marai in Greek mythology. One spins

1325
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:45.640
the thread of life, the thread the fishing line, the

1326
01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:49.439
second weaves it, and the third cuts it. Thus, the

1327
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:53.039
wheel of Fortune is a reminder of the mysterious cycles

1328
01:20:53.119 --> 01:20:58.199
of life, death, and rebirth, and of the invisible forces

1329
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:01.760
that measure that out to each of us.

1330
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:06.319
Okay, life, death, rebirth. A freaking dog came back to

1331
01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:09.239
life after throwing it in the hole. What was that

1332
01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:10.359
last part you read?

1333
01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:14.680
It's a reminder of the mysterious sight measuring and of

1334
01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:19.920
the invisible forces that measure them out to each of us.

1335
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:24.479
Interesting because there was a lot of measuring happening. Sure

1336
01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:29.960
was a favorable outcome awaits you. Maybe Sure.

1337
01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:35.399
Circumstances are changing for the better, even if you aren't

1338
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:39.039
totally aware of what you've done to initiate the process.

1339
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:46.479
You've started the ball rolling weird, or rather the wheel turning.

1340
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:49.760
The whole opening wider and wider.

1341
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:56.119
Don't resist. These changes will promote growth and bring valuable

1342
01:21:56.199 --> 01:22:00.640
learning experiences for you. It can be hard to stay balanced,

1343
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:04.239
but go with the flow and trust the process. In

1344
01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:08.159
a reading about money, this card herald's good fortune come

1345
01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:10.239
in your way as a result of what you've already

1346
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:13.920
put into action. Perhaps through a stroke of good luck,

1347
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:20.399
your finances improve these opportunities that present themselves. Okay, this

1348
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:23.840
is crazy. If the reading is about your job, you

1349
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:28.800
may get a lucky break. Unexpected terms of events are likely,

1350
01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:32.920
such as meeting people who can help you or receiving

1351
01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:36.680
an offer out of the blue. Getting an offer out

1352
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:41.159
of the blue, which definitely happened. And then in my

1353
01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:45.279
little book for the Nightmare before Christmas, Deck, you've reached

1354
01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:47.760
a turning point in your life, the moment when the

1355
01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:50.199
storm clouds part and the sun comes out and your

1356
01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:55.279
luck begins to change. For now, okay, now maybe the

1357
01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:59.720
time to make a big move, whether you switch careers,

1358
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:06.960
begin a new romance, jumpstart lifestyle shifts, or relocate across

1359
01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:08.439
the country.

1360
01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:11.960
And buy a bunch of wombats. Yeah. I mean he

1361
01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:15.840
didn't relocate across the country, but he relocated like way further,

1362
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:18.319
so yeah, across the world.

1363
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:21.399
Basically, I'm going to count it.

1364
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:24.119
It says you'll get you'll have good fortune on your side.

1365
01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:26.560
We know it doesn't.

1366
01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:28.920
Last, but right, but it does occur.

1367
01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:29.640
It does.

1368
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:34.199
Although this may appear for tuitous, it's all part of

1369
01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:36.119
the grand plan for your life.

1370
01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:42.920
Wow. Wow, it's the Magician.

1371
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:49.239
Our keywords for the Magician are hidden power, magical ability,

1372
01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:52.560
mastering unseen forces.

1373
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:55.640
I think this is relating to all of these magical

1374
01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:58.279
little things like the gun.

1375
01:23:58.520 --> 01:23:59.319
Oh my goodness.

1376
01:23:59.560 --> 01:23:59.880
Okay.

1377
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:04.119
When the Magician shows up in a reading, he indicates

1378
01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:08.439
you have special powers, but you may not realize them yet,

1379
01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:10.760
or you may not be using your powers.

1380
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:11.359
Huh.

1381
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:17.279
Use your intellect, intuition, talents, and practical skills to manifest

1382
01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:21.920
your dreams. The magician reminds you that you're constantly creating

1383
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:27.600
your reality and that your thoughts are the forerunners of manifestation. Upright,

1384
01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:31.479
the magician recommends getting in touch with the unseen world

1385
01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:36.520
instead of focusing only on the material one. They aren't separate.

1386
01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:40.239
What we usually think of as reality is an illusion.

1387
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:45.279
Ooh wow, that was weird.

1388
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:50.119
The presence of the four magic tools, which also represent

1389
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:54.359
the four elements as discussed in chapter three, on this

1390
01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:57.800
card suggests that everything you need is right there at

1391
01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:02.000
your fingertips. Your connect with your power, and aligning yourself

1392
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:06.920
with universal forces to achieve your goals and desires. In

1393
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:10.319
a reading about money, the magician tells you to tap

1394
01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:15.720
into the universal flow to attract abundance. You possess the

1395
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:21.359
resources inner and outer to generate wealth. This card can

1396
01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:24.560
also advise you to take control of a financial matter.

1397
01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:28.000
Weird, okay.

1398
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:34.079
The magician can also symbolize a position in a spiritual

1399
01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:38.680
field or studying spiritual wisdom.

1400
01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:44.319
His magical urbs that he's studied. In a reading about love,

1401
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:48.920
this card may represent a relationship that contains a strong

1402
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:53.399
spiritual or magical element. You and a partner may be

1403
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:58.640
on a spiritual path together, encouraging and inspiring one another,

1404
01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:03.520
or just suing each other over this, you know, very strange.

1405
01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:06.760
It could be like Melon arts relationship, though it could

1406
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:10.880
be Yeah, the whole magical properties, because like the whole

1407
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:14.560
thing was like, there's so many items with weird or

1408
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:20.600
seemingly magical interesting properties. Yeah, let's see what my little

1409
01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:24.039
booklet says, just in case. It says, like the Witches

1410
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:28.039
of Halloween Town, the magician combines raw talent and ambition

1411
01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:33.000
with focused action to manifest a magical vision. Up right,

1412
01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:39.319
you're bubbling over with creative and creativity and inspiration. Now

1413
01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:41.920
is the time to do something meaningful with it, like

1414
01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:48.760
maybe open a wombat rescue shut up. Yeah, put action

1415
01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:53.479
behind all of your inspired energy to make real progress. Focus,

1416
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:56.520
come up with the plan, and make your dreams come true.

1417
01:26:56.520 --> 01:27:00.439
He totally did that. He did that, I think. So

1418
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:03.760
I didn't really put all of the details about Mel

1419
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:08.600
into these episodes because it's already a lot. Yeah, it

1420
01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:11.279
is kind of one of those ones. There's a lot

1421
01:27:11.319 --> 01:27:14.000
to it. But he did say one of his dreams

1422
01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:17.439
was to move to Australia, and he did it. He

1423
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:19.680
did it. He opened a wombat rescue. I don't know

1424
01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:22.319
if that was specifically part of his dream. It probably was,

1425
01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:25.600
I mean, yeah, why not the Pinnacle kind of you know,

1426
01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:27.720
the Pinnacle thing kind of is on a circle and

1427
01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:29.840
it looks a little bit like it could be a coin.

1428
01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:35.560
It does look like it's a coin that doesn't actually exist,

1429
01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:36.760
like a Pinnacle coin.

1430
01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:38.079
Yeah.

1431
01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:43.159
I have something bigger than a coin that looks like

1432
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:45.000
a really oversized Pinnacle coin.

1433
01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:48.640
Yeah. Nice, you'll throw that in there too, Just toss

1434
01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:54.359
it in so many holes. Yeah, make a wish. Wow,

1435
01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:59.920
we are going to do a arrow read to red

1436
01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:08.840
for the thrilling conclusion of Mills Whole of Mysteries. My goodness.

1437
01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:16.840
We have three of potions in this card. Is kind

1438
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:22.720
of interesting because it's like a man inside a man

1439
01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:23.520
inside a man.

1440
01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:28.640
I don't really care. So what do we decide that

1441
01:28:28.880 --> 01:28:30.680
potions is in this deck?

1442
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:35.640
Cups? Cups done because potions go on a cup. Come on, Caitlin,

1443
01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:41.399
keep up, no, yeah, so immediately I think of the

1444
01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:42.840
creature inside the creature.

1445
01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:53.840
So for three of cups. Keywords are celebration, fulfillment, friendship, community, happiness.

1446
01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:57.520
Fun. That sounds like how I feel being done with

1447
01:28:57.560 --> 01:28:59.399
this episode.

1448
01:29:01.039 --> 01:29:04.920
The Three of Cups in Many Decks depicts three young

1449
01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:10.880
women holding chalices aloft as if toasting each other in

1450
01:29:10.920 --> 01:29:14.520
some packs. The women are dancing and clearly having fun.

1451
01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:18.279
A positive card, it suggests you have something to celebrate.

1452
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:24.239
The upright interpretation says you're enjoying a good time with

1453
01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:27.920
people you care about and admire. You could think of

1454
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:34.079
this as the cheers card. It can also indicate expressing love, inspiration,

1455
01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:38.039
and creativity with a community of like minded people.

1456
01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:41.800
That's interesting because he did go to a group of

1457
01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:42.840
like minded people.

1458
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:44.000
Sure did.

1459
01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:46.600
I'm not sure if they, you know, had a grand

1460
01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:48.920
old time. I mean, I guess at the end. So

1461
01:29:49.039 --> 01:29:52.720
at the end, when the Basque elder gave him the coin,

1462
01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:55.399
the coin, they were, you know, they were all hanging

1463
01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:58.279
out kind of I don't want to say celebrating, but

1464
01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:01.760
hanging out before mel to leave. So I think they

1465
01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:04.520
all had, you know, a pretty decent time together.

1466
01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:08.279
Yeah, seems like a positive end, I guess.

1467
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:10.279
Rip.

1468
01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:18.680
Yeah, the common bond between you fills your cups and

1469
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:22.439
brings blessings to all. In a reading about money, the

1470
01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:27.399
three says you profit from a collective undertaking. It shows

1471
01:30:27.640 --> 01:30:31.720
you reaping rewards from an investment made with other people,

1472
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:33.000
like a seal.

1473
01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:37.359
He did you know it did? Karamu cancer? I mean,

1474
01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:40.279
that's a pretty great reward.

1475
01:30:41.199 --> 01:30:46.199
Allegedly, if the reading is about your job, the upright

1476
01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:51.520
three assures good fortune from a group efforts. You feel

1477
01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:55.359
joyful and fulfilled with the results. It's time to celebrate

1478
01:30:55.399 --> 01:30:58.840
your success. In a reading about love, this card can

1479
01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:02.840
represent a merit which it shows you celebrating your love

1480
01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:09.520
and extending affection beyond your primary partnership to include friends, community,

1481
01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:15.039
and kindred spirits. I mean, do you have an extra excerpt? Okay?

1482
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:21.840
The Three Graces Greek mythology speaks of three goddesses of joy, charm,

1483
01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:25.680
and beauty, known as the Graces. The three of cups

1484
01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:30.439
reminds us of the famous painting prima Vera by the

1485
01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:37.239
Renaissance Italian painter Soundro Botticelli, which shows these three beautiful

1486
01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:41.960
young deities dancing together. That's exactly what it reminds me of.

1487
01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:44.800
You know, it's a funny they said that because I

1488
01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:46.680
was just gonna say.

1489
01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:50.680
That totally totally yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1490
01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:53.880
Okay, well that was that it? Yeah, No, that was it?

1491
01:31:54.560 --> 01:31:56.319
Okay, three of cups.

1492
01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:58.840
I'm just not sure that we were going to get

1493
01:31:58.880 --> 01:32:03.920
a card that that is representative of all of the

1494
01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:04.720
whack doodle.

1495
01:32:04.840 --> 01:32:08.159
Yeah, I mean, I mean the creature inside the creature though,

1496
01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:10.359
that was maybe the best that they could do.

1497
01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:16.239
The visual representation in this is alarmingly on point.

1498
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:17.840
Yeah, a little long the nose.

1499
01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:24.479
I honestly, I feel like I'm ready to just go

1500
01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:26.920
ahead and light a candle.

1501
01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:30.399
In remembrance of the sheep. The sheep.

1502
01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:32.760
I'm just ready to move on. I feel like our

1503
01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:35.439
space might need a quick cleanse.

1504
01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:38.880
Well before we go go. I have one more little

1505
01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:41.880
detail that I did want to share. I just wasn't

1506
01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:44.159
sure where I was going to place it. It just

1507
01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:47.760
didn't fit anywhere that I could think of Mel. I

1508
01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:50.239
think it was in one of the first it was

1509
01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:53.680
either the first or second interview. He said that he

1510
01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:56.920
had in his will that he was to be thrown

1511
01:32:56.960 --> 01:32:59.680
in the hole after he passes. So yeah, I think

1512
01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:05.159
mel will would probably be void now, obviously because he

1513
01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:07.439
doesn't have control of his land anymore.

1514
01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:09.479
But okay, mm hmm.

1515
01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:10.159
Malls whole.

1516
01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:14.800
Yeah, I think I need more wine? Or why more wine?

1517
01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:15.800
Oh? Here?

1518
01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:19.159
Yeah, ring for wine.

1519
01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:24.079
If you think anything relates to the card to the episode,

1520
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:28.880
if you have anything to say about the episode, let

1521
01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:32.920
us know, have a creepy ass day. We'll see you

1522
01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:34.159
next Thursday.

1523
01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:35.640
Unless I fall into the why.

1524
01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:43.399
Oh but it doesn't not go We definitely won't see

1525
01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:47.640
now because no one knows who he is or his

1526
01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:50.159
whole or his cancer curing seal.

1527
01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:56.520
Oh my god, like I think you're like holding my breath.

1528
01:33:56.560 --> 01:33:58.520
Like that made me so nervous. I headed birth