Feb. 26, 2026

Ghouls of Grays Harbor

Ghouls of Grays Harbor
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Pack your raincoat and your flannel, we’re heading to Grays Harbor in Washington, the salty gateway to the Pacific and the misty doorstep of the Olympic Peninsula. The most notable town on Grays Harbor is Aberdeen, hometown of Kurt Cobain. The town leans into its legacy with a welcome sign that reads “Come As You Are,” a nod to the iconic Nirvana anthem. Nearby, a humble highway sign became rock folklore and was eventually relocated due to its popularity with fans.

But Grays Harbor is more than grunge nostalgia. The stately Polson Museum, a 1924 riverfront mansion built by the Polson Logging Company family, houses antiques and logging relics that some visitors swear carry more than just dust. The museum gift shop shelves true crime tales like Deep in the Woods about the 1935 kidnapping of George Weyerhaeuser, and The Port of Missing Men, which recounts the chilling legend of sailor turned union man Billy Gohl.

Dubbed the “Ghoul of Grays Harbor,” Billy Gohl was accused of murdering dozens of sailors in the early 1900s, allegedly stealing their valuables and dumping their bodies into the harbor. Convicted of only two murders, he died in prison, but debate still churns like gray water. Was he a serial killer responsible for up to 100 deaths, or a convenient scapegoat for powerful men threatened by his labor activism? His legend lingers at his namesake — Billy’s Bar & Grill.

The harbor’s ghostly roll call does not end on land. The Lady Washington, a 1989 replica of the first American vessel to make landfall in the Pacific Northwest in 1788 under Captain Robert Gray, sails as a floating tribute to maritime history. Many believe old sea spirits are drawn out wherever the ship sails into port!

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There were a large amount of sailors in the area

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who were missing or found dead, and some believe Billy

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was responsible for anywhere between forty and one hundred deaths. Yikes,

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becoming known as the Ghoul of Gray's Harbor. I don't

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like to glorify murder, but that's a pretty good nickname,

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just saying, like, as monikers go, like fuck, that's a

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good one, the Ghoul, because it like kind of goes

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with his name and it's like the GMG. It's just

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I mean, superb reporting really really though, the alliteration of it.

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All the dark themes, the imagery.

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Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi, creepy people. Henny, you felt

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mischievous when you did that. If anyone's watching the video,

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I mean for those of you watching the video.

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I feel like I'm just channeling you because this is

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that T shirt that you gave me so oh when

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you put that.

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On, I was like, oh, it looks familiar. Well, this

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is PNW Hanson Homicides, where we chat about true crime,

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the paranormal, our T shirts, and all things spooky in

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the Pacific Northwest or the p and W. If you're nasty,

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we also do terror reading at the end of every

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episode for some deeper insight into what we're talking about

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for the day. Ooh, so stick around if you're in

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for that. We haven't said that in a while. Oh,

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if you're into that, right, because we know you're sticking around. Well,

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today we're going to be visiting Gray's Harbor in Washington. Ooh.

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It's the gateway to the Pacific Ocean and the Olympic Peninsula,

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or so it says on their website. I mean, well, yeah,

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it's about one hundred and four miles southwest of Seattle,

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and the main river flowing into the harbor is the Shahalis.

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Close by is the Quinault Reservation and Lake Lodge, which

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we've done an episode on that we have. Then I

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went there and I found out it was totally haunted.

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After I stayed.

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That honestly, that's very on brand for me. That would

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be the way that I would want that to go down.

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I don't know how I didn't. I don't know how

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I didn't look it up. We've talked about it on

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the episode though, I actually had an experience there, So

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go back and listen if you don't know what I mean. Yeah,

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but on my way up there, I drove through the

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largest town on Gray Harbor, Aberdeen. Ooh, and something happened

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that still upsets me to this day. I may have

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mentioned it before, I don't know, maybe in that episode

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about Lake Quanall, but I'm going to bring it up

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again because it's relevant. Okay, I missed taking a photo

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of one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Their

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welcome sign. Aberdeen is the hometown of Kurt Cobain. You

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might have heard of him. He was in a little

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Seattle grunge band called Nirvana. Yeah, and the sign reads

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Welcome to Aberdeen, Come as you are. I love it.

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I think it's the cutest thing ever. And I just

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I'm so pissed at myself for not getting a picture

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of it. But it just means I have to go back, honestly.

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The song title from Nirvana's second album was added to

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the welcome sign in two thousand and five in commemoration

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of Kurt, who passed in ninety four.

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I was gonna say two thousand and five.

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I thought they added it sooner than that, But yeah,

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I'm trying to say, like further back, yes, thank you, Yeah.

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Yeah, no, but you know what you mean like sooner after, yeah,

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became famous, sooner.

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After his passing, Like that's a long time in between.

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They did it for like the ten year anniversary of

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his passing, but it was like a year after that,

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so they didn't really quite hit it on the ten

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year mark, but yeah, they tried anyway. While we're in

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the area and on the subject of signage, is a

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popular highway sign that had to be taken down due

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to the amount of people constantly taking pictures with it

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and causing traffic hazards.

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Ooh.

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The sign simply states the distances to Elma, Montesano and Aberdeen,

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those being six miles, sixteen miles, and twenty six miles.

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The draw is a famous photo of Nirvana's bassist christ

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Nova Selch holding Kurt up to cover the one in

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the two on the sign, showing only the numbers six

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six six. Okay, do you want to send the picture

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to you real quick? Yeah? I can totally see like

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why people want to go and recreate it because it's fun.

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Yeah, it sounds pretty iconic. I'm not gonna lie.

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I love it. It's adorable and he's like holding him

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like like one leg I don't know, it just looks

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like strongman down there. It really does. Yeah, he looked

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it's like a big guy. Uh. In twenty eighteen, they

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finally decided they had to change the twenty sixth to

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a twenty seven, even though that was not the accurate

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dissonance to Aberdeen. Stop it. Yeah, what I know, And

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I feel like people still I think they graffeited it

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and like put a six on it. Anyway, it would

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just caused it didn't help the situation. They're like, no,

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the same right. Yeah. Also, to just like change the

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mileage and it not even be correct is very odd.

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Yeah, Like, can't we just move the sign, Like can't

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we put it like a mile earlier?

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But then they would have to like, well, you'll see

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what happens. Okay, So the old sign was removed to

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preserve and eventually turn into an art installation where people

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can safely admire and take photos of it not being

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on the side of a highway. Love that in a

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new highway side was installed in a new location, accurately

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showing the distances to the three towns of five, fifteen

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and twenty five. Oh, they did a mile up, but

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they had to change the entire sign. Yeah, well, and

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people still go and like take pictures with that one too,

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but not, oh, I mean, because it's not as cool.

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But yeah, that's not what our episode is about today.

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That was just some fun facts of things in Aberdeen, Okay,

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which is right on the on Gray Harbor, Grayce Harbor,

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Grace Harbor, Grey's Anatomy. Is that what Gray's Anatomy is

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named after? Because it's in Seattle?

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You know, I think Grey's Anatomy is named.

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After the textbook what I was just making a joke,

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but I didn't know that there was a textbook fun facts.

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I know there are several places around the harbor that

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may have some paranormal activity, one of which is the

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Poulson Museum, a riverfront colonial mansion, the former home of

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owners of the Poulson Logging Company. Ooh and it was

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built in nineteen twenty four, so pretty old.

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That's like the dream.

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Loggers probably like made bank back in the day. Well,

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I mean we know that, Oh yeah, it's not probably. Yeah,

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you ever heard of the Warehousers. Funny you say that.

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I think they said too in my readings in my research,

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I didn't really write it down, but Aberdeen was like

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the logging capital of the world back then or something.

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I believe it. So the museum is now full of

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antiques of the time and logging historical artifacts, and some

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visitors think that these items have pretty spooky vibes. Okay,

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others believe it is home to a lady in white apparition.

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Oh my Gord, can't get away without a lady in

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white ghost and a ghostly child. No, no, because they

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have they have kind of the room set up like

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how they used to be. So they have like a kitchen,

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and they have a nursery, and so they think the

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child ghost lives in the nursery.

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Oh, like, you're ruining my art deco mansion with this

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creepy abandoned nursery.

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We'll see. What you have to do is if you

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have something like that, don't fill it with real antiques

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and artifacts. You have to do replicas so that the

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energy isn't attached. Because I can definitely see ergic.

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I like non haunted antiques.

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I feel like no antiques can get away without energy.

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Like all of them have something, I mean energy, but

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they're not all haunted. Yeah that's true, but you never know.

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I don't know. You just never know what's going to

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come with a little child, ghost or whatever for sure.

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So they have a gift shop and it has a

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few books in stock, and one of which Caitlin has

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covered Deep in the Woods about the nineteen thirty five

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George Warehouser kidnapping. Of course, the funny I threw that

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in and you mentioned it, like you knew. Honestly, I didn't.

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It just is like it's such an obvious, like, yeah,

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that's right what my head went to.

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And if you guys haven't heard it, we actually talked

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to the author of that book in the episode, so

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I was pretty cool, so cool. I kind of forgot

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about that until I started writing that and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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I know. He was so awesome. He was really really nice.

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Those are like some of my favorite episodes still.

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I know, honestly, he was such a cool person to

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talk to in his personal stories from like actually meeting

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George before I asked.

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Him, like, whoa, it's a must listen. I'm honored. They

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do have another true crime book in the gift shop

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as well, the Port of Missing Men. It's about an

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early nineteen hundred serial killer, Billy Gole. Hmmm have you

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heard of him? M I'm not going to deep dive

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it obviously. Well, hopefully it doesn't ruin anything for you.

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Were you planning on covering it, because I might ruin it?

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You know, I think it would be interesting to talk

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about it at some point.

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I haven't chosen it as a case, and I.

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Feel like you got here first, you stay keeped, that's

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your flag, baby.

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I would definitely be interested, like you should get the

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book and do it to whole deep dive on it,

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because yeah, what I have is just kind of you

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know what the articles say. I didn't actually get the

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book and read it, because we all know I don't.

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I don't do the murder so well exactly.

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I feel like we we can talk about adjacent or

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even the same topics, and we're approaching it from like

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very different angles.

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Yeah, because it's two different genres. But I would be

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interested to know more because of what I have to

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say about it. So we'll get into it. But before that,

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I kind of freaked out because I kept reading his

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last name is Gorol, not Goal, it's g oo h L,

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And I was reading it like Dave Grole and I

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was like, oh my god, is he related to And

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I'm like talking about Nirvana.

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That would be too freaking wild spoiler alert.

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He's not, I mean good for Dave. I was kind

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of spiraling though and going like full conspiracy and I

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had to look it up because I was like, did

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he just drop like add an R to his name

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because he didn't want to be associated.

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Right like it's Ellis Island.

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Yeah, but it doesn't it doesn't appear to be the case.

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I was just, you know, I don't know. Maybe we

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can start a new conspiracy theory here on this podcast

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that Dave Gole is related to Billy Goal.

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Could it be?

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I don't know, you never know, you never know. But anyway,

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onto the the serial killer. Yay. Billy was a sailor

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who eventually became a bartender and representative for or the

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Sailors Union of the Pacific. When settling in Aberdeen, sailors

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from all over would come by his office to collect

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mail and deposit valuables for what they assumed would be

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safe keeping. Uh oh, it is said that he was

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not in fact keeping the sailors valuable safe, but instead

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stealing them for himself. Well who could have seen that coming. Well,

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it gets a little worse because it's also said that he,

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after stealing from them, would kill and dispose of their bodies.

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In Gray's Harbor, there were a large amount of sailors

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in the area who were missing or found dead, and

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some believe Billy was responsible for anywhere between forty and

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one hundred deaths yikes, becoming known as the Ghule of

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Gray's Harbor, which is like, I don't like to glorify murder,

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but that's a pretty good nick.

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It's a pretty good yeah, pretty good like ass go

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like fuck, that's.

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A good one, the ghoul because it like kind of

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goes with his name and it's like the GMG, it's

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just I mean, superb reporting.

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Really really though, the alliteration of it all, I know,

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the dark themes, the imagery.

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He was arrested due to the confession of his alleged accomplice,

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convicted of only two murders and sentenced to life in

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Walla Walla Penitentiary. Only two though. It's like kind of

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what we talked about in your case, Like you have

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to have the evidence there to convict someone of a murder.

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Right, Yeah, I mean I do think you should have evidence. Yeah, yeah,

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called me a nitpicker.

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Billy died in prison from it says pneumonia and dementia

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paralytic caused by syphilis. But I'm like, can you die

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of two things at the exact same time or meet

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out the other.

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I think I think especially back then, where just based

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on the limitations of science, they probably had a hard

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time sometimes determining like this, this one thing is the

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precise cause. So I think a lot of times used

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to see this more where it was like, well, they

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had this thing that was sort of like a chronic

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or you know, even if it was a cute, they

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already had this like pre established disease or disorder, and

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then something like pneumonia if you're already physically compromised, if

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your immune system is compromised in some way, it can

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kind of just be a contributing factor.

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That's true. Yeah, This is where it gets interesting though,

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and kind of where that book comes into play. So

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historians argue that Billy was actually an advocate fighting to

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protect sailor labor rights and brutal work environments that could

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have probably been the cause of most of the missing

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sailors and the deaths of the sailors because it was

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freaking' rough. Yeah. Yeah, they believe that the outspoken Billy

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could have just been a scapegoat for the sailor's deaths,

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getting rid of someone who could rally the people to

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organize strikes, which would cause a lot of problems and

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lost profits for politicians and businessmen's businessmen in the area.

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So I thought that was pretty interesting. They like people

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developed this huge kind of like urban legend around him

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and that he killed one hundred people, but the historians

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think that's actually probably not the case.

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Yeah, I could see where I mean, And we see

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it in true crime cases where for any number of reasons,

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the number where victims becomes inflated, and whether it's the

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serial killer's own ego that like they're manufacturing that, or

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if it's like a myth of public opinion, if that

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makes sense.

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Yeah, and there were a ton of sailors that went missing,

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but it's not absolutely me and they're necessarily were murdered.

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Absolutely, I will say I had to look this up

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because for a long time, like I think I've talked

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about it before, you know, we've covered you know, cases

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in Alaska and other places where it's come up that

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like my dad was a commercial fisherman in Alaska and

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for a long time, Like most of like the entirety

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of my life, I've always like heard and read that

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like being a commercial fisherman, like specifically like a crab

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Like if you're on a crab boat, that's supposed to

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be like the deadly, Like that's why they call it deadly,

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a sketch, Like it's a very dangerous job. What's interesting

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to me as I was looking to see, like what

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is the most dangerous job?

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Because I was.

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Like, you know, maybe this has shifted I feel like

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in the last maybe handful of years, just given like

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if there's regulatory changes or there's new like safety implements

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that make it less dangerous. But it's particularly relevant here

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because it says logging workers are recently ranked as having

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the most dangerous job.

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Damn. I mean, yeah, I could see that, yeah.

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But it does say fishing and hunting workers. It's kind

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of the it's like logging, fishing and hunting.

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So it's like you can have all the safety precautions

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you want, but you're in fucking nature, like especially though

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the sea, the sea is unpredictable.

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Yep. Well, and those sailors they've been known to have

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a drink or too yep.

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I'm sure they did.

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Tale as old as time.

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Speaking of a drink or too. Billy has a namesake

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bar called Billy's Bar and Grill. It is not the

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same building where his saloon and his office were, okay,

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but they have adopted his Lucky seven house rules. Would

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you like to hear them?

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Oh?

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Yeah? Number one always serve high quality food and beverages.

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Number two, be generous with the portions. Number three give

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the fastest friendliest service in town. Number four operate a

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lively but orderly establishment. Honest. Number five just solid business

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tips right. I know it gets better though, it gets

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more interesting. I love it. Number five have a rip

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roar in time every Saint Patrick's Day in New Year's Eve. Oh,

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shut the fuck up, I love it. Number six is

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my favorite. Okay, always sell the house liquor at half

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price on every Lucky Friday. The thirteenth shut up. Yeah,

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isn't that cute? That's adorable? And the number seven encouraged

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the customers to share the luck by offering a toast

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to good health, good cheer, prosperity for all, and a

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round of drinks with the first royal flush Ooh I

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like that. Yeah, so he was like a big gambler.

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He was a very big superstition guy. So he lived

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by these Lucky seven rules in his saloon.

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And I presume he was perhaps I mayhaps irish.

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I don't know. I don't know. Oh, okay, okay, wait,

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what's his name, Billy Gole Gohl.

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German American murderer.

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Oh, I didn't know that he was from Germany. I

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didn't know that. I just didn't put it in my notes. Huh. Well,

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I think people just like it because it's a drinking holiday,

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and he's like, let's fucking do this.

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I mean, if you're a tavern owner, having a deference

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to drinking holidays really makes sense.

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Yeah. So, I don't know, he sounds like kind of

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a cool dude. I'm not really sure. We definitely need

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Caitlin to do a deep dive on it, because that's

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definitely not to say, like you can be a cool

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dude in public and like be a fucking murderer behind

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closed doors.

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So, right, remember all of those people that were super

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shocked that that really good looking guy killed all of

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those co eds in all of the places like Colorado

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and Florida and all up and down Oregon and Washington.

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Never bundying me.

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Yeah, okay, good, I was like, didn't give enough cus.

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Do you know, I think I immediately knew when you

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said good looking, because that's like, oh my god. Thing

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about it is everyone thought that, well, not everyone, you know, like.

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I really And here's the thing. The part that really

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makes me angry about it is that I'm like, Okay,

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he's not like ugly.

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Per se. Yeah, but.

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I just I don't like, he's not so good looking

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that I just can't Oh, I just become a damns.

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I just I don't listen. And maybe I have the

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benefit of hindsight and so much experience that some people

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in the past didn't. But like, I've never I've never thought,

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oh that Batman, he's just far too good looking to

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have done all of these horrific things that other people

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are saying, like, yeah, I just I don't know, but.

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I could see like he could turn on the charms.

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So that makes you more attractive when you can know

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it funny, it.

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Does, it does it, and it makes you more when

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you're charismatic and you're attractive that way. People have a

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hard time rapping their head around somebody like that doing things.

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That are bad.

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Yeah, they do because you relate to that person and

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they're likable.

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It's fine. Just don't trust a man. Never trust, never

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meet a man. Never trust a man. I realize that,

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you know, she's happily married, but it's fine.

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Yeah, yeah, okay, but like just just the one man, okay,

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although I feel like now I feel like I have

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to caveat that because I'm like, it's okay to be polyamorous.

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So yeah, hmm, okay, you know what, we're going to

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come back. We're going to workshop it. We're going to

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come back and we're going to come up with better.

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Guidelines. Okay. I don't know the creepy people understand the intention.

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I think they're creepy. They get it. So Billy's Bar

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and Grill is reported to be haunted a lot of

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people think that Billy haunts the place, even though it's

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not actually his place. Well, I mean he's like it

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is my place. Yeah, it's named after me, Like I'm

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gonna come hang out. Hello, you put my name on it.

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So reports say he stands behind the bar just mean

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mugging everyone and not serving anyone. But I see, I

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don't know, that's not the Billy. I want to believe in. Yeah,

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I don't love that. That's not the billy with the

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lucky seven house rules.

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No, that's not a point in his column for sure.

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Yeah so that I mean, if he's a murderer, that's

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murderer billy.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, that's giving very much true crime vibes.

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But like, are people seeing that because that's what they

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think of him? You know? Yeah, patrons have felt cold spots,

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heard voices, and had their plates or glasses pushed off

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the table by unseen hands. Well that is so rude.

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And I mean they're drink glasses too, not there, not

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their eyeglasses. So yeah, keep you pushing people's boos off

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the table. That's not cool.

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I mean, don't touch my eyeglasses either, though they're way

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more expensive than the drink that I ordered, Heller, I

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have an astigmatism. Do you know how much extra that

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makes everything?

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Oh so much, so much. Sailors in early nineteen hundreds

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uniforms have sometimes been spotted visiting the bar. Are they

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spirits or just historical cosplayers? Depends if they vanished right

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before your eyes or not.

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Yeah, I feel yeah, I'm not mad at either, because

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like I feel like sometimes I want to cosplay as

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like from a different era, you know, just for the clothes.

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All the time. The clothes, Yeah, not really so much

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for the societal issues, but you know, the clothes don't

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bring any of the don't bring the nest.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have to tell you.

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So.

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Chris and I went to brunch yesterday and he was like, said,

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do you want to just go straight home after this?

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And I was like, well, there is this place that's

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really close to here that we could go to. It's

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called the Vault.

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And he was like.

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Okay, yeah, okay, what's that And I was like, it's

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a vintage store and that's where I bought the dress

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that I had originally planned on wearing for my wedding.

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Oh okay, And I was like, okay, you know, I

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haven't been there in a while. And I thought for

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a time when they were doing renovations in the neighborhood

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that this place was like gone forever. I didn't think

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they were coming back. So I was like, I mean,

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I just kind of want to go for old Timesya's sake,

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because it's still in the Kadie Building in Beaverton, which

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back to like I want to say eighteen ninety four,

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and it's when I wrote my thesis in my master's

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program about Wow, I know so nerdy, I want to

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hear the history. It's it's a really cool building. At

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one point it was a pharmacy. It still has apartments

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in the upper floors. Yeah, it's such a cool old building. Okay,

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So we go to the vault and I now own

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two coats that date back to we assume the nineteen seventies, wow,

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and the nineteen eighties. Okay, hopefully they're all haunted. I'm

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so excited about them. I've been needing like a new coat,

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and I wanted something that was like a little bit

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less like Columbia utilitarian. But this is reminding me. I'm like, oh,

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I just love I love history and vintage thing.

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Yeah, and I have to show them to you.

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I think we're going to have to go to Europe

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on our honeymoon now because I have so many I

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have so many classy, like ugh, very fancy coats, So

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we have to go somewhere where I can wear a.

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Coat be fancy, yeah, and be fancy. Well, I was

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thinking if they were haunted, they'd probably be pretty cool chicks.

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So, oh, my god one of both of them. I

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look like I'm a lady like Detective Noir in London

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love It or Edinburgh.

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I can't wait. Okay, So let's talk a little bit

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about the building that the Bar and Billy's Bar and

463
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.160
Grill is in, because it's been around a minute, okay,

464
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.960
and it has its own history that may lend itself

465
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.880
to hauntings. The Crowther Wooding building was built in nineteen

466
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.640
oh four and it's been home to a few different

467
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:04.839
business a pharmacy. I feel like, like so many old

468
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.160
buildings were pharmacies. But that's why full that you mentioned

469
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.440
that and you didn't even know that it was coming. No,

470
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:11.720
I had no idea.

471
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:16.319
I just I'm really excited about my coats, yeah, and

472
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:16.640
that I.

473
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.200
Got to visit. So it was a pharmacy, it was

474
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:23.599
a drug store, it was a couple different taverns, and

475
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:28.519
by the fifties it was a brothel upstairs and they

476
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:32.200
were known as the Elnora Room. Ell No, it says

477
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.799
el Nora on their website, and like all of the

478
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.160
articles change it to Eleanora. But I their website say

479
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:40.759
is el Nora. So that's what I'm gonna go with, Okay.

480
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.519
They were known as the El Nora Rooms after the madame.

481
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.400
The madam. I always say madame, but like madame is

482
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.039
like a fancy person and a madam is like a

483
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:56.119
woman pimp. Yeah. Yeah. It is said that a bullet

484
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.559
hole still remains in the wall from a lady of

485
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:04.279
the night who shot her pimp. So I'm like, I

486
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.960
made this whole story in my head because I'm like, well,

487
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.319
there wasn't a pimp, there, there was a madam. So

488
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.319
like this other lady of the night was trying to

489
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:13.960
leave her pimp and he got pissed so she didn't

490
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:18.240
shoot him intrigue. Don't know if that's true, but that's

491
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.160
just the scenario I came back with in my head. No,

492
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:20.799
I like it.

493
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:24.480
I like where your head went there, because yeah, I mean.

494
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:26.960
He didn't like where his head went. Apparently he died

495
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.319
on the toilet, like she shot him through the bathroom

496
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.680
and like he died on the toilet. Oh no, but not.

497
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:34.720
I don't know if he deserved it. I don't know.

498
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:39.640
I'm just saying, well, I'm just saying, if you're you know,

499
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:45.480
if you're essentially enslaving people in the sex trade.

500
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.720
Yeah, not good. And people have reported seeing the ghost

501
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.440
of sex workers of the time there roam in the halls,

502
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.920
maybe still looking for a little extra cash, trying to

503
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.759
make their way in this world. Girl getting so much

504
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:06.200
stack that paper. We're only judging if someone's forcing you

505
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:07.920
into it, and then we're judging a person, not you.

506
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:14.799
Yeah, we're judging the exploitative nature of the thing, not

507
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.559
the person who is being victimized by a system of

508
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:25.519
you know, basically the design of patriarchy and misogyny.

509
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:30.799
And how to shoot her way out like literally, oh gosh, Yeah,

510
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.279
this brings us to another lady, not a lady of

511
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.759
the night, but a lady of the sea, The Lady

512
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:42.960
Washington in nineteen eighty nine, replica of the first American

513
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:48.599
vessel to land in the Nasty PNW in seventeen eighty eight.

514
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.880
So it's not the original seventy seventeen eighty eight ship.

515
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:54.519
It's a replica of it, but still pretty yet.

516
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.279
I was honestly way cooler than what I was imagining.

517
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.519
I was like, is that like the Starbucks Mermaid? Or

518
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.000
it does have a late like one of what do

519
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.599
they call it? Oh, it's a figurehead? I was like,

520
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.799
I know, it has like some sort of name.

521
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:14.839
Okay, so I didn't add this, and I was about to,

522
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.200
but it says the figurehead of Lady Washington was carved

523
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:24.559
by Bob McCausland, a former cartoonist for the Seattle Post. Oh,

524
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:26.160
which I thought that was kind of cool, but I didn't.

525
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:28.880
You don't need all the fun facts. But since you

526
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.400
bring it up, I mean, but yeah, so you saw

527
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.920
a picture of her. She doesn't look like a mermaid

528
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.359
or anything. She just looks like a woman.

529
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.640
Oh no, she looks like a colonial woman.

530
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:46.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which fits fits the times. The original

531
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.519
ship was captained by Robert Gray, which is why it's

532
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:54.359
named grays Harbor, not after Gray's anatomy. Okay, because you

533
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.440
know this one was first anyway you got ever, Lady

534
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:01.559
Washington is kind of a fan Miss Broad the replica.

535
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.839
We're back to the replica. Okay. So she's been featured

536
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:11.119
in Star Trek Generations Once upon a Time, which I

537
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.920
was like, I loved that show, and even Pirates of

538
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:16.559
the Caribbean.

539
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.200
I was gonna say, the first thing that came up

540
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:21.759
was Pirates at the Caribbean.

541
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.720
Oh see ruined it. No, I'm just kidding, but it

542
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:27.839
is that cool. I was like, didn't even think about that,

543
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:29.839
and I was like, oh, very cool. I love this.

544
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:33.400
And another I think it was a movie revolution. I

545
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.759
don't know what that was, so I deleted it, but

546
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.880
it was in that if you guys know what that is. Yeah.

547
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.559
Although the crew does not have any paranormal experiences to report,

548
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:48.240
it is believed that its presence in historical seaports attracts

549
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:53.079
spirits of long dead sailors invoking their love of the sea.

550
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.359
I mean, doesn't that kind of track Yeah.

551
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.000
I think so it like comes in now to report

552
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:03.200
rawls up all the old sailor spirits get some going,

553
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:07.680
the old sea dogs gets the people going. Yeah, I

554
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.799
get some people going. I do like love that image

555
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.960
of just like them getting all excited for like, oh look,

556
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.400
this is from our time because they see all this

557
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:20.279
other crap that they don't even know what it is,

558
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.359
and they see this old sami ship and they.

559
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:26.799
Just get stop, like they're seeing cruise ships and stuff.

560
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:32.720
Is that yacht? Bullshit? Where are my sails and masks?

561
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.519
And right, okay, we have one last thing to talk about.

562
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.119
It's super fast and I just had to throw it

563
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:43.640
in there because I just love cemeteries of course. So

564
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.799
there's an old cemetery in the area. It's called John's

565
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:51.160
River Pioneer Cemetery, and it was once only accessible by

566
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.200
boat during high tide. What they had to go on

567
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.599
high tide and like bury or morn or do visit

568
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.799
whatever they were going to do, and then wait for

569
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.160
the tide to get high tied again and then go back.

570
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:08.239
Isn't that crazy? Wow? Nowadays you can get there by

571
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.280
a two mile hike, so it's a little bit more

572
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:11.760
accessible if you want to hike.

573
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.639
Honestly, it sounds peaceful though, because who is dealing with

574
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.719
all of those shenanigans.

575
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.599
Right, I know? And it was only I think they

576
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.719
said about like twenty graves are there. It's all overgrown

577
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:28.400
and it's not kept up anymore. It's from the early

578
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:33.360
eighteen hundred. So wow. There was a blog or an

579
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.840
article or something with a bunch of pictures of someone

580
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.639
who went there, and it does look very peaceful, nice

581
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.840
little hike and views if that's what you're into, which

582
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.039
I would be into, but we're not going to go

583
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:50.639
hiking for a minute. Yeah. Yeah, the fast time I

584
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:55.519
broke my ankle, it's fine. Yeah, Wow, I don't think

585
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:58.800
I have a deck that would be any better than

586
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.639
the P ANDW deck if you wouldn't mind, because I

587
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:04.400
think that would be a really good duck for this one.

588
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.519
Thank you, Thanks for Dean may work for me. I

589
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:09.360
do one more?

590
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:13.480
Okay, all right, I'm gonna keep that one in mind.

591
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.719
Ooh, one pop it out? The one that tried to

592
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:23.639
jump out. Ooh, it's water. Yeah.

593
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:28.440
So if our reading feels not quite right, well now

594
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.119
okay I read. So I'm making the arch.

595
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:37.599
Are you gonna finger it again? And I'll tell you

596
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.920
want to stop? Yeah? Okay, tell me when you start. Oh,

597
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:51.960
I'm starting. Okay, Oh stop right? No? Is it the

598
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:58.760
same card? No? Bye? Oh okay, that's so funny. What

599
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:03.039
was the other one? The yeah? Okay, I'm like for

600
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:05.679
people who can't see she one popped out? That was

601
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:10.360
uh was it dolphins in the ocean or something? Uh,

602
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.159
I'm not sure.

603
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:17.960
I'll have to let me flip the deck so I can. Oh, okay,

604
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.840
it's still on the bottom. It was the chariot. These

605
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:28.000
look like gray whales. I still tried to flip out

606
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:29.639
gray gray whales.

607
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.320
Dude, I feel like we're meant to pull that one too,

608
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:35.159
maybe Grace.

609
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:40.519
Harbor just saying, but we pulled the Queen of Cups

610
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:44.960
and I literally turned like perfectly to the exact page.

611
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:55.039
So our keywords are creativity, fertility, strong emotion, change, and intuition.

612
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.679
I mean, I feel like that makes sense to me

613
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:03.960
for the Billy's Bar and Grill with the brothel, is it? Yeah,

614
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.599
just because the Queen, the Madam, the I don't know,

615
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.960
all of those things kind of fit for me. Oh

616
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.280
you know what, I wouldn't have thought of that. I

617
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:18.519
guess the ship too. Yeah, what were you thinking about?

618
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.519
Well, as per usual, I'm kind of focused on the

619
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:23.119
true crime.

620
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:33.719
Oh so yeah, okay, the upright Queen represents deep emotions,

621
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:35.800
compassion and caring.

622
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:40.719
When she comes up, you're experiencing strong emotions about someone

623
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.440
or something. She can also urge you to use your

624
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.559
intuition or express your creativity.

625
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.360
That totally reminds me of the ship because they had

626
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.239
like a bunch of historians go into how they actually

627
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.480
built the original ship and built it like in the

628
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:03.679
same way and made sure everything was exactly right. Oh interesting, Yeah,

629
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:04.760
that's pretty cool.

630
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:14.519
Okay, all right, let's see if this card signifies a

631
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:19.800
real person She's nurturing and generous, ruled by her heart

632
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:24.920
not her head. She's changeable and sometimes unreliable. Okay, here

633
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:29.320
we go, extra exerpt before the three bullets.

634
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:30.760
Okay, okay.

635
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.199
The Queen of Cups is like a body of water,

636
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:39.840
ever flowing onward as she brings inspiration and feeling.

637
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.280
To the world. Oh.

638
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:47.239
She may sometimes seem as immutable as the sea itself.

639
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:50.119
She is ever true to her heart.

640
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.960
That is so cool that we got something that specifically

641
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.320
like mentions the sea it does Okay.

642
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.760
In a reading about money, the Queen can mean earning

643
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:06.480
money from a creative activity. Often she recommends being flexible

644
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:10.400
and willing to make changes. Use your intuition as well

645
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.800
as your intellect in financial matters.

646
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.079
Okay, that could be a Lady of the Night. Yeah,

647
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.920
it could be. You gotta be flexible, you gotta use

648
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.599
your intuition. You know the bad guys from the Yeah,

649
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.440
well seriously, maybe good guys. I don't know.

650
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.480
If the reading is about your job, this can be

651
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.320
a creative and inspired time for you to be happy.

652
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:38.639
You need to be able to use your imagination in

653
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:43.880
your job. Sometimes the Queen shows an unrealistic attitude about work,

654
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.559
or a desire to be taken care of rather than working.

655
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.480
Ladies of the night. Yeah, I was gonna say, that's

656
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.280
all I could think of. I don't know, honestly.

657
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.239
Honestly, in a reading about love, the upright Queen represents

658
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:07.239
a deeply romantic, sensual, and emotional relationship. You open yourself

659
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.960
to a partner and lavish him or her with love.

660
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:18.320
Sometimes the queen advises you to be more discriminating. Yeah,

661
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:21.800
this is a fortunate card if you want to have children.

662
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.960
Oh, I don't know about that. Well, there was a

663
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.360
child ghost, so I mean, yeah, I mean there's that. Yeah,

664
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:33.480
But that last part you read does remind me of

665
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.400
what I said about, like the ship coming into old

666
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.840
ports and attracting spirits of long dead sailors invoking their

667
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.440
love of the sea. So it's kind of like you're

668
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:46.039
in love with the sea, but this music dangerous that

669
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:48.880
it might kill you. That's what it reminded me of.

670
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.079
All right. So the other card is the chariot.

671
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:59.920
It is number seven in the major Arkana keywords are controlling,

672
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:09.440
opposing forces, willpower, resolving, conflict, and travel. I mean travel, Yeah,

673
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:17.280
the ships, the sailors, Yeah, upright, the chariot symbolizes taking

674
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:23.440
control of competing forces, whether these are inner conflicts, people,

675
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.119
or a situation in your life, in order to reach your.

676
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:34.079
Goals goal billy goal goal. Oh god, And he was

677
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.559
apparently like fighting for all these he was a fighting

678
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.280
the opposing forces to try to get you know, labor

679
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.480
rights for the sailors.

680
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:46.480
Kind of true, right, and then also potentially maybe possibly

681
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:52.119
murdering murdering of the sailors. You're being carried towards your

682
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.119
destination as quickly as possible. Wow, which makes me think

683
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:02.440
of a current Yeah, for what it's worth, whatever the task,

684
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.079
you can handle it. You're keeping up with the changes

685
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:11.599
that are happening at your job, in a relationship, or

686
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:16.400
in some type of community or worldly involvement.

687
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:20.840
Wow. What just makes me wonder, like if he was

688
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:24.239
really this good person, what would have happened? Like would

689
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:28.159
the sailors have been even more safe if he wasn't convicted?

690
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:29.599
Oh?

691
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:33.719
I mean maybe we don't know. Caitlyn's got a deep

692
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:35.920
dive on and figure it out for us. I don't

693
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:37.159
no pressure.

694
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:41.119
Right In reading about money, this card says you can't

695
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:44.079
rush things. All you can do is hold on to

696
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.639
the reins and guide the situation, using your willpower and

697
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.760
mastery to be to bring a financial matter to a

698
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:56.679
successful conclusion. If the reading is about your job, the

699
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:03.199
Chariot reminds you that to succeed you need self mastery.

700
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:06.599
You possess the means to triumph over your obstacles and

701
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:12.360
stay the course you've set for yourself. You're holding things together,

702
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:18.239
successfully uniting opposing forces to stay on track. However, you

703
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:24.320
may be required to make frequent adjustments to continue going

704
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:28.400
in the right direction. In a reading about love, this

705
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:33.360
card recommends spending time in self development rather than chasing

706
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:37.480
after love. This may not be the right time to

707
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.840
start a romance if you're in a relationship already. You

708
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.519
may need to take control of conflicting feelings or attitudes

709
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:53.039
to bring about harmony. And I would say, honestly, if

710
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.480
nothing else, this makes me think of.

711
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:01.079
The brothel as well, Like I think, Yeah, a lot.

712
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.800
Of times people report it being very difficult to have

713
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:09.119
romantic relationships when they are engaged in sex work.

714
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.800
Yeah, because men are a little possessive. Yeah.

715
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.960
I mean, I don't know if there's any other tie ins,

716
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.960
but that was kind of my initial thought.

717
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.039
Yeah, I don't know. It made me think of kind

718
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.039
of that same thing where it's like love of the

719
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:29.880
sea or like Billy's possible love of trying to help people,

720
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:34.159
but like it ultimately could kill you or not turn

721
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.559
out well. You know. Yeah, I mean there's that doesn't

722
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:42.840
mean you shouldn't try. You should always try to help people.

723
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.519
It is a nice thing to do, fight for people's

724
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:48.800
rights who can't do it themselves.

725
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.159
Wow, you're standing mouthful there, sister.

726
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:59.159
Yeah, I know, Yeah, Yeah, that was cool. I really

727
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.159
liked that they just both had the sea on them.

728
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:07.320
And I mean, is it just whales on that other card?

729
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:09.840
I can't see. I can't tell if what that big

730
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:10.320
thing is.

731
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:15.079
It looks like it. I cannot reach the little book.

732
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.360
Okay, I couldn't tell if it was a ship or

733
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:19.960
something like, of course it was a ship.

734
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:23.559
No, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure we've gotten this card

735
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.199
at some point, and I'm pretty sure these are all

736
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:26.920
gray whales.

737
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:30.320
Yeah so to me, and you're holding it up, it

738
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.280
looks like the bottom of a ship with like a

739
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.679
bunch of whales swimming under it. Is what it looks like? Yeah,

740
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:40.400
it kind of does. Yeah, creepy day We'll see you

741
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:45.880
next Thursday Day. Someday Cassie will be back in the studio,

742
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:47.280
I promised. I know.

743
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.480
Well we've it's been a lot. We'll tell you about

744
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:52.159
it sometime.

745
00:45:53.559 --> 00:46:00.639
Oh the love of the spoon, I love it. Ee,

746
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.039
let's cut that out. When I did that? Remember when

747
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:07.400
I did that. Let's boss a got in. I remember

748
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:11.800
when I did that. I am losing it, okay,